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CFL bulbs: Shedding Light on Misleading Performance Claims (EPA's claims about CFL's are bogus)
Seminole County Environmental News Examiner ^ | Jan 12, 2012 | Kirk Myers

Posted on 01/14/2012 8:08:34 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE

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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
More anti CFL BULL$HIT.

“Go-Green advocates like to complain about the fact that 90 percent of the energy from incandescent lights is given off as heat, with only 10 percent providing illumination. But they ignore one important fact: The extra heat given off during the winter months can actually lower energy bills.”

Now this is ridiculous! What about SUMMER, SPRING, & FALL? What about California, the South, Hawaii?

Junk your furnace and plug in a thousand light bulbs instead. Then check your electric bill.

Lower energy bills? This idiotic statement tells you that the whole article is BS, so don't waste your time.

My experience with CFLs has been just the opposite of this articles conclusions. I know that with incandescent light bulbs, I was always replacing them. Now with CFLs I don't ever replace them, but I am colder (sarc).

21 posted on 01/14/2012 9:12:31 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Apparently not. Technology is static yah know. :)

We replaced all our bulbs with Full Spectrum CFL's back in 2007. That would be about 60 bulbs. Three were out of the package defective and were returned to the store for replacement. Since then two have blown.

My husband works with colors so it is necessary that the light from the bulbs be true and bright. So far, so good.

22 posted on 01/14/2012 9:14:50 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

If they worked so great they wouldn’t have to force them on us. The market would do it naturally and without unConstutional force.

I mean who made you by a microwave, a car or a computer?


23 posted on 01/14/2012 9:24:52 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I do pay a premium for good bulbs, but they do last me for years.

I have to wonder if the folks that complain they only last a month or two are cheap-charlies, or if they have bad electicity.

Because of the military jets taking off on 36 or landing on 17, and fly over the house down to 500ft, Edison bulbs get shaken to death around here.

It was worse, back when the B-58 Hustlers were flying over, back in the day. ;)

/johnny

24 posted on 01/14/2012 9:30:18 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Time to drop this stupid issue. I like ‘em, you don’t. Fine - it’s a free country. Get the gov’t out of the business of telling us which we should use and let the market decide.

Only in Obamanation could we have the problems we have and a gov’t that worries about this kind of BS.


25 posted on 01/14/2012 9:33:20 PM PST by bigbob
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To: 1010RD
Amen.

I bought mine by choice. But FedGov has no authority to regulate lighting.

/johnny

26 posted on 01/14/2012 9:33:30 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I have had CFL on my porch and garage lights. I run them dusk to dawn and get around 3 years. Just put LED bulbs on the porch (on sale at Lowes for $9.98). We’ll see how long they last, but so far I’m impressed by the instant on and the amount of light they produce.


27 posted on 01/14/2012 9:35:20 PM PST by MarkeyD (Obama is a victim of Affirmative Action)
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To: bigbob
Amen!

But I'd say restrain the government back into it's Constitutional role.

/johnny

28 posted on 01/14/2012 9:35:46 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Fire_on_High

Your stated views are mine as well.


29 posted on 01/14/2012 9:41:04 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I hate these stupid curley bulbs. I had a lamp with one today in a dark area of the house. I was trying to read an installation manual. The dumb thing got brighter and brighter over about 10 minutes. It really messed with my vision.

I want instant on, instant off. I want my old incandescents. The politicians were bought off by excessively large business (GE, etc.) to jam these stinking, expensive bulbs down our throats.

At some point, some businesses and big government become one and the same and they are really bad for liberty and freedom. GE is one of those now quasi government monstrosities.


30 posted on 01/14/2012 9:41:38 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: af_vet_rr

I had a CFL that lasted more than three years — then it caught fire when the ballast failed.

Funny thing is that I like CFLs. I’m one of those people who wants light in the whole house when I’m home, so I do use low wattage CFLs around the house. ...but I won’t leave one on when I’m not home after two had ballast failures and burned.


31 posted on 01/14/2012 9:43:41 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Fire_on_High

I agree. Both should be available depending on the application. We don’t need big Nanny State and her pimp big fat GE and other excessively large quasi government companies telling us what we can not buy.

At some point, when huge companies and big government combine, you have socialism/communism and a loss of liberty.


32 posted on 01/14/2012 9:44:36 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
I know the US-built conventional resistance bulb factories are getting shut down ...

"Incandescent bulbs", if you please. Incandescence is the mechanism by which the light is produced, and this is how I've always heard them characterized. Where did "resistance bulb" come from all of a sudden? Any device which converts electric potential to some form of energy, including CFL bulbs, must present an electrical resistance to the flow of current that powers it.

"How does it work?" "I don't know, it's probably atomic." - The Five Thousand Fingers of Doctor T

33 posted on 01/14/2012 9:49:01 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

And my thinking is that even IF using CFLs did cut the mercury production at power plants, we will have traded that pollution reduction to relying on c. 100 million fellow Americans to conscientiously dispose of their used CFLs from now on.

Do you really want to bet the life/health of your children on the people you see navigating through commuter traffic every day?


34 posted on 01/14/2012 9:54:58 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: FreeAtlanta
At some point, some businesses and big government become one and the same and they are really bad for liberty and freedom. GE is one of those now quasi government monstrosities.

Yeah, do you remember those ads they were running about their medical data base, where a patient was being examined in an auditorium of doctors, some of whom would pipe up with advice? It was pretty amazing in its implications, and it disappeared soon enough, but I assume GE still has its billion dollar contract to produce and implement this database, and that it will suddenly appear to us as a hawk suddenly appears to a muskrat.

35 posted on 01/14/2012 10:01:38 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: MediaMole
I had a CFL that lasted more than three years — then it caught fire when the ballast failed.

Great. One more thing to look forward to with these confounded things. I bought a 50-100-150 watt CFL ($15.00!!!) a while back for my nightstand lamp for reading. It simply doesn't give off enough light for me to read, even at the 150 watt setting. So I'm now supplementing that light with another lamp using a 60 watt incandescent.

I have no idea with this 150-watt CFL/60-watt incandescent combination whether I'm using more or less energy than when I used just one standard 50-100-150 incandescent, but somehow I doubt this was the idea.

When this CFL goes, I'll look for another 50-100-150 incandescent, if they're still around.

Oh, and did I mention, the 50-100-150 watt CFL cost $15.00?!?!?!

36 posted on 01/14/2012 10:08:06 PM PST by kevao
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Unless a person is running about 50 lights at once all night the CFL savings if any at all due to using extra bulbs is NIL on your electric bill. 20- 60 watt incandescents is roughly 1200 watts. A medium size reach in refrigerator takes about 900 watts.

I bought plenty of 60 and 100 watt bulbs to do me my lifetime. If I want florescent lights {which I do have a few} I will use 40 watt 48" tubes with a reliable transformer ballast. I will get far more usage from them in their hours life than any CFL on the market.

37 posted on 01/14/2012 10:08:54 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: FreeAtlanta
At some point, some businesses and big government become one and the same and they are really bad for liberty and freedom. GE is one of those now quasi government monstrosities.

GE's largest single retail buyer had more to do with it than anything. That and a Republican who wrote the bill too start with.

A certain Big Box Store was on a shelf reduction store wide space saving kick and wanted too sell less bulbs at a much high price. At the same time that Big Box Store also went on a huge PC "GREEN ENERGY" kick too please a more PC liberal leaning market. As a result that Big Box Store whom other corps jumps through hoops for pushed for these bulbs. That Big BOX Store is majority share owned of course by Liberals.

Ironically soon after the incandescents disappeared from that stores shelves for at least a year or two then suddenly recently after realizing they weren't making the anticipated money and the incandescents could be bought elsewhere the store that pushed for the ban brought them back on their shelves.

38 posted on 01/14/2012 10:22:54 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: MediaMole
I had a "brown ballast" in a ceiling fixture that concerned me enough to switch back to incandescent bulbs.I also had to switch the garage lights back for the winter.

Because there's just the two of us at home, we turn our lights on and off frequently. As a result, about half of our CFLs get replaced almost as often as the old bulbs. Not much of a savings.

39 posted on 01/14/2012 10:48:51 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: faucetman
“Go-Green advocates like to complain about the fact that 90 percent of the energy from incandescent lights is given off as heat, with only 10 percent providing illumination. But they ignore one important fact: The extra heat given off during the winter months can actually lower energy bills.”

Now this is ridiculous! What about SUMMER, SPRING, & FALL? What about California, the South, Hawaii?

In California and the South, it certainly gets cold enough that the heat from incandescent bulbs is a bonus.

And since the warmer months also correspond to longer daylight hours, the bulbs simply aren't used as much during late spring/summer/early fall. So the heat isn't as much of a factor.

40 posted on 01/14/2012 11:21:16 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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