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Audit of the Federal Reserve Reveals $16 Trillion in Secret Bailouts
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Posted on 12/27/2011 6:08:43 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2

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To: dragnet2
I am beginning to think there are a few stealth Keynesian economist believers that would never say anything in opposition to the FED.
61 posted on 12/27/2011 11:24:19 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Uh....ah....I do believe you’re correct.


62 posted on 12/27/2011 11:26:13 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: takenoprisoner

You are confusing, 1) debt with deficit, and 2) Federal Debt with the Federal Reserve.


63 posted on 12/27/2011 11:27:14 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
You are confusing, 1) debt with deficit, and 2) Federal Debt with the Federal Reserve.

Got it.

1. There is no deficit spending, and no debt.

2. Federal spending, which increases debt, which calls for the printing of more money, has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve.

hand palm slaps the forehead. What was I thinking?

64 posted on 12/27/2011 11:53:54 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: Jukeman

Dude, seriously. Very scary we been hijacked!


65 posted on 12/28/2011 12:12:54 AM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

bookmark


66 posted on 12/28/2011 5:06:32 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Steve Newton

+1


67 posted on 12/28/2011 5:13:57 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (ROMNEY / ALINSKY 2012 (don't zot me bro, it's sarcasm)
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To: zeugma

All we have is the “Good faith and credit” promise and the faith is all but gone so nothing much is left but credit and that is about dried up as well.


68 posted on 12/28/2011 8:31:38 AM PST by Jukeman (No Romney, No Bush, No Trump. No, No, No. Never. Final Word!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2; takenoprisoner; All
Here is the location of the subject GAO audit for those who value original documents.
69 posted on 12/28/2011 8:41:19 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: takenoprisoner
It's safe to say that the $16 trillion in loans has been repaid if the outstanding balance is down to $13 million.

If this is the case, then why the deficit of 16 trillion?

The banks that borrowed from the Fed have repaid the Fed. The Treasury has borrowed from the world and not repaid their bonds. Clear?

70 posted on 12/28/2011 9:45:23 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Just mythoughts
The additional audit included more detail.

It's not splitting hairs. Europe still has a banking crisis because the "safe" government bonds they own are in danger of default by deadbeat governments.

The dollars the Fed creates do have value. You have some in your wallet right now. And they didn't come from the taxpayer.

No, the money the Fed created did not come out of your paycheck. It did not increase the debt of the government.

71 posted on 12/28/2011 9:50:26 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: dragnet2
You haven't noticed your dollar is become worth less and less?

Worth less compared to what? Over what time frame?

I'm no financial expert, but flooding the country with trillions of their "newly created money" did is not making the dollar worth less and less?

Trillions that were repaid? No.

And who got those trillions Todd?

Banks mostly.

72 posted on 12/28/2011 9:53:55 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: takenoprisoner
1. There is no deficit spending, and no debt.

There is deficit spending and debt. Both are way too big. Spending must be cut.

2. Federal spending, which increases debt, which calls for the printing of more money, has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve.

Federal spending does not call for the printing of more money, it calls for the borrowing of more money.

Government borrowing has nothing to do with the Fed, it's the responsibility of the Congress.

Got it.

I don't think you do.

What was I thinking?

You weren't.

73 posted on 12/28/2011 9:58:09 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"That book is full of stupid, silly errors."

Is it really your contention that there is no truth in the book The Creature from Jekyll Island?
Are you from the Flaherty conspiracy poo-pooist camp? Or is it belief in the purity of the FED just helps you sleep at night?

74 posted on 12/28/2011 10:27:10 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

He has been attacking that book for a long time.

That book is worth reading 5 times over IMHO to let it sink in what is going on.


75 posted on 12/28/2011 10:30:53 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
Is it really your contention that there is no truth in the book

I'm sure there are a few true things in there. The huge errors more than make up for the few facts.

76 posted on 12/28/2011 10:37:41 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Doe Eyes
$16 trillion -- The “total transaction amounts” for Fed lending included in a July 21, 2011, study by the Government Accountability Office

That GAO number is so stupid and useless...... This is what our taxes are blown on. These Gov't workers all making more than 100 thousand I am sure

77 posted on 12/28/2011 10:54:45 AM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: dennisw
That GAO number is so stupid and useless

No, it is not stupid and useless. Given that it totals more than GDP, it means that the Fed is effectively involved in transactions whose total is the total value of domestic goods and services. This is not just a little thing. We have gotten to the point where monetary/credit transactions executed by the Fed is bigger than real economic transactions. Since total financial transactions are some large multiple of Federal Reserve transactions, it means that the banking system that we are trying to bail out has become a behemoth. While many argue that it is necessary, others might rationally argue that maybe a smaller banking system would be ok.

78 posted on 12/28/2011 11:08:26 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So it goes without saying:

1. The Fed is incapable of accomplishing its stated objectives.
2. It is a cartel operating against the public interest.
3. It is the supreme instrument of usury.
4. It generates our most unfair tax through inflation and bailouts.
5. It encourages war.
6. It destabilizes the economy.
7. It discourages private capital formation.

All false according to your math...Right?

79 posted on 12/28/2011 11:09:45 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: AndyJackson
Given that it totals more than GDP, it means that the Fed is effectively involved in transactions whose total is the total value of domestic goods and services.

No it doesn't.

This is not just a little thing. We have gotten to the point where monetary/credit transactions executed by the Fed is bigger than real economic transactions.

Total loans were about $1.2 trillion. At their peak.

While many argue that it is necessary, others might rationally argue that maybe a smaller banking system would be ok.

Banks have been shrinking their balance sheets.

80 posted on 12/28/2011 11:13:31 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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