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To: caww

Do I look like I care what Newt’s definition is? If you are forgiving someone’s crime and allowing them to stay in the country, that sounds like the normal definition of amnesty to me. Most of them don’t want citizenship anyway. And they certainly don’t need it to vote if they’re in a Dem state.

And how do you know the laws are “unenforceable”? Have you tried to enforce them lately? I haven’t seen that happen. Maybe give more freedom to the states to go ahead and pass their own Arizona style laws? Maybe make it mandatory for employers to check immigration status? Maybe make it a crime to hire an illegal or rent an apartment or sell a car to them? Maybe build a border fence, deploy the national guard, and stop being nice to them? Let’s deport whoever we get ahold of, regardless of what church denomination they go to or how nice and “hard working”, REAL EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW.

What happens next is that living here becomes a real hassle. So. They. Self. Deport.


55 posted on 11/26/2011 12:24:17 AM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: Apollo5600
Do I look like I care what Newt’s definition is?

Well that statement says that you don't...but the fact is, in regard to Immigration, Amnesty is defined as that which means citizenship....which Newt has clearly opposed.

And how do you know the laws are “unenforceable”? Have you tried to enforce them lately?

Obviously the immigration laws are not enforceable....they are so engulfed with bureaucracy that anyone can find loopholes around at any given time..they are obsolete and ineffective in every way. Especially since Mexico's government has their legal teams throughout the US to fight enforcement of these for it's people here and they do so on a constant and successfully...that certainly isn't helpful.

Maybe give more freedom to the states to go ahead and pass their own Arizona style laws?

Then they simply move to the states who have not elected strong immigration laws....We have them now here where states have done so already. It won't work just shuffling them around.

Maybe make it mandatory for employers to check immigration status?

Yes, and Newt's addressed that very thing if you look at his plan, further he is open to hear any loopholes and such to shore it up tight so employers can check without hassles and legal issues.

Maybe make it a crime to hire an illegal or rent an apartment or sell a car to them?

Your repeating yourself here...but even so, we must be careful not to bite off our own noses to spite our face. If they have identification you cannot deny them or anyone a place to live..and I believe many landlords already have instituted guidelines on renters in that respect. Buying a car? You have to have ID already so your back to where the landlords and dealerships are not complying....that needs to be addressed when they don't and then you're on very tricky ground.

Maybe build a border fence, deploy the national guard,

This also Newt addresses and is for, as are most Americans.

So it seems your arguements are really based on not giving them citizenship at the heart of them...and Newt does not want to either.

61 posted on 11/26/2011 12:49:01 AM PST by caww
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