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Record-Low Support Banning Handguns in U.S.
National Shooting Sports Foundation ^ | Larry Keane

Posted on 11/07/2011 3:40:58 PM PST by epow

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To: sergeantdave

Confine them to their State and ban them from living and voting among freemen.

In an ideal world this would be done simply by means of State constitutional amendment strictly limiting the States power. But such a world can only exist if the Federal Goverment is domestically all but powerless as it was founded to be.

The Sad truth is it may be that the only way to secure to ourselfs and our posterity the blessings of freedom is to separate from theses people completely so that there be no common lawless goverment over which their vote might weld power to oppress us.


21 posted on 11/07/2011 6:34:51 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Noumenon

The shotgun slugs are pretty damn nice; it’s what I’d want in my gun if some “SWAT” team broke in my apartment.


22 posted on 11/07/2011 7:37:13 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: epow

Too bad she didn’t get names and dates... and then file for civil damages plus the criminal charge (federal felony) of “conspiracy against rights” (US CODE TITLE 18, SEC 241)


23 posted on 11/07/2011 7:39:42 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Yep - they still deliver over 1000 foot-pounds at 50 yards. That’s a lot of punch.


24 posted on 11/07/2011 8:03:10 PM PST by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: trapped_in_LA
As you said, CA is fast becoming the mother lode of unconstitutional gun laws. However, it still has a way to go to pass up NJ in that regard.

If you want to see how tragically misguided and unconstitutional that extremely liberal anti-gun state's LEOs and judicial authorities have become, click HERE.

If someone admires Nazism and the German Gestapo they should move to NJ where Nazi LEOs, a despotic judiciary, and unconstitutional anti-2nd Amendment laws thrive almost 7 decades after Hitler blew out his filthy brains.

BTW, the NJ governor who so many conservative Repubs wanted to nominate for president has repeatedly refused to even consider a pardon for Mr. Aiken in order to help rectify to some degree the terrible miscarriage of justice that the Nazi-esque NJ judicial and LE systems inflicted on an innocent young man who was simply caught up in NJ's web of unconstitutional, oppressive, and un-American anti-gun laws. Instead, if I understand the situation correctly, the governor has recently expressed his full support for the officials and LEOs who arrested, tried, and convicted Mr.Aiken, and has publicly praised the unconstitutional gun laws of his state.

If I were the all-powerful absolute ruler of the universe, I would have NJ sawed off the continental US and then towed out to sea and sunk.

25 posted on 11/07/2011 8:21:40 PM PST by epow ( "It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." Patrick Henry)
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To: MachIV
In the world of shotgun slugs, there are slugs designed for unrifled bores and those for rifled bores. Sabot slugs contain a subcaliber projectile surrounded by a plastic strippable carrier that engages the rifling to impart spin to the projectile. Sabots must never be used in shotgun barrels with chokes or choke tubes because they blowup barrels and can damage both the gun and shooter.

Foster (a cup-shaped, hollow, 1 oz. lead slug) is designed for cylinder bore barrels (that is, the same diameter from breech to muzzle — 0.729-inch for a 12 ga.). The same is true for the Brenneke slug. The Brenneke originated in Europe and is a solid lead slug with the wad screwed to the base. The lead of these slugs can be compressed by a choked barrel, but the projectile will have no accuracy. They will usually not cause a problem for the gun or shooter, other than excessive recoil.

Therefore, Fosters and Brennekes for open choke or cylinder bore shotgun barrels. Sabot slugs for rifled shotgun barrels.

26 posted on 11/07/2011 11:49:12 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: epow

“If you want to see how tragically misguided and unconstitutional that extremely liberal anti-gun state’s LEOs and judicial authorities have become, click HERE.”

Ultimately it all boils down to the juries, if these idiots on these juries would just say NO and not convict in cases like this the problem would quickly be solved. Unfortunately we get the government that we deserve (as a general population, not individually) so I don’t expect things to change unless and until the general population changes. It is interesting that in the black community there are more and more that are refusing to convict fellow blacks for any crime. Blacks have seen the injustices of the legal system for years now and are starting to revolt, how long before whites/Asians/Latinos follow suit?


27 posted on 11/08/2011 10:11:41 AM PST by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA
It is interesting that in the black community there are more and more that are refusing to convict fellow blacks for any crime. Blacks have seen the injustices of the legal system for years now and are starting to revolt, how long before whites/Asians/Latinos follow suit?

Unfortunately this sort of thinking might be 'countered' by the government by selecting people not of that "race" for people they [really] wish to convict; I believe that jury-selection has been corrupted for some time, and such manipulations seem to be the next logical step.

Ultimately it all boils down to the juries, if these idiots on these juries would just say NO and not convict in cases like this the problem would quickly be solved.

The Aitken case is not unique in that the jury should have refused to convict; but there is something else they could have done -- when the judge refused to allow them access to the [full] law that he was accused of breaking they had more than enough to, individually & as a group, charge the judge with Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law. (14th Amendment guarantees due process; as does the 5th.)

Furthermore, it can be argued that the LEOs, prosecution and judge all are guilty of Conspiracy Against Rights regarding the 2nd Amendment.

28 posted on 11/08/2011 4:09:36 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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