You are our friend? We might still help to overthrow you.
You are our enemy? We might still help to overthrow you.
We ignore laws. We ignore treaties and agreements. We're not loyal or logical. WE'RE CRAZY! You just never know what we might do.
That was my whole beef. There are a LOT of tyrants out there. But Khaddaffi was scared of us. I have no idea just WHAT we were trying to accomplish with handing Lybia over to the MB. Bad man dead. Great. But what next? And if we pull out of Iraq completely, it will be very soon for them to revert to an Islamist hell-hole. What the hell is Obama’s thinking behind these moves?
All you have to remember is what we did to our ally South Vietnam.
We assassinated their President, then abandoned them to the North Vietnamese in spite of our treaty with them.
Both actions thanks to the Dems.
All I see is Libya becoming the next truck stop for al-Qeada.
There was a similar one that was made by the Clinton regime in Bosnia: No matter what the treaties say, the only way to keep the U.S. from messing with you is your ownership of nuclear weapons.
NATO broke its charter rules to involve itself in the Balkan mini-wars. This taught the entire world that the written treaties involving NATO and the U.S. were worthless. Only nuclear weapons ownership could guarantee that you would not be interfered with.
The world looks at Iran, North Korea, heck, even Pakistan, and then at Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The lesson has been clear.
This communist son of a whore is responsible for thousands of shoulder fired AA missiles falling into the hands of his fellow muzzie subhuman animals.
Every commercial jet that is shot down by one of these is blood on his hands.
This nation also made a deal with Qaddafi that if he dropped his nuke program and paid reparations to the victims of the Pan Am 103, we would take him off the terrorist list and let him be.
The degenerate monster in the WH is out to put radical islamists in charge of every stable country in the Mideast, and let them take back all of the territory paid for with American blood in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And I bet not one of the GOP candidates will even bring this up.
Libya Is Off U.S. Terrorist List
By KIRIT RADIA (@KiritRadia_ABC)
May 15, 2006
After spending more than a quarter-century on the United States’ State Sponsor of Terrorism list, Libya has finally completed its journey back into the relative good graces of the U.S. government.
The State Department announced today that it would remove Libya from the list in 45 days as part of a three-pronged process of normalizing U.S.-Libyan relations, declaring that Libya was “out of the terrorism business.”
In a statement announcing the restoration of full diplomatic relations, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Libya was being rewarded for its “renunciation of terrorism and the excellent cooperation Libya has provided to the United States” in the war on terror. Libya has, in recent years, shared intelligence with the U.S. government that has helped track terrorist networks, including al Qaeda.
The re-establishment of diplomatic relations and the removal of sanctions is also seen as a reward for Libya’s surprising dismantling of its nuclear weapons program in 2003. The announcement comes at a time when the United States is looking to convince two other countries on the State Sponsor of Terrorism list — Iran and North Korea — that cooperating with international demands will ultimately lead to greater gains for their countries.
“Today’s announcement demonstrates that, when countries make a decision to adhere to international norms of behavior, they will reap concrete benefits,” Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs C. David Welch said.
The United States will also reopen its embassy in Tripoli, Libya’s capital, for the first time since the building was set aflame by a mob and closed in 1979. The United States withdrew its last ambassador in 1972, but withdrew its remaining personnel from the embassy after the attack. Less than two years later, Libyan diplomats were expelled from Washington.
Libya will also be removed from another list: countries not cooperating with the U.S. war on terror. Venezuela was added to this list today, with the State Department citing the country’s ties to Cuba and Iran. The decision means that the United States will ban arms sales to Venezuela, whose leader, Hugo Chavez, has been an outspoken critic of U.S. foreign policy.
Removal from these two lists will mean that Libya will no longer be subject to restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance, a ban on arms sales, certain export controls, and other financial sanctions.
The State Department sought to reassure those who remained unsure about the decision to re-establish diplomatic ties with Libya. “This was not a decision that we arrived at without carefully monitoring and assessing Libya’s behavior,” Welch said.
“The relevant U.S. government agencies conducted a thorough review of Libyan conduct since 2003,” he said, citing Libya’s having distanced itself from terrorist organizations with which it once had maintained relations.
Scars From Pan Am Flight 103 Linger
The State Department said today’s announcement did not indicate the United States had resolved its other concerns about Libya.
“Instead, these steps will enable us to engage with Libyans more effectively on all issues,” Welch said. “In particular, we continue to call upon Libya to improve its human rights record and to address in good faith cases pending in U.S. courts with regard to its terrorist activities of the 1980s.”
After the mob attack on the U.S. embassy in 1979, U.S.-Libyan relations deteriorated further as the United States accused Libya of supporting several terrorist bombings. Most notable among these were the 1986 bombing of a discotheque in West Berlin frequented by American soldiers that killed three people, including two American service officers, and an explosion aboard Pan Am Flight 103 that brought the plane down over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 — killing 270 people, most of whom were American.
The Libyan government reached a settlement with the crash victims’ families in 2002, to which the United States government was not a party, in which it agreed to pay $2.7 billion, or $10 million per family, in monetary compensation for the attack.
Of that settlement, $4 million was paid to each family after the United Nations removed sanctions on Libya, and an additional $4 million was paid to each after the United States removed additional sanctions. The remaining $2 million was to be paid when Washington removed Libya from its State Sponsor of Terrorism list. The timeline for this decision, however, expired in February 2005, and the money, which had been held in a Swiss escrow account, has since been removed.
The announcement on Libya was met with mixed emotions by the families of the crash victims.
Jim Kreindler, the attorney representing 130 of the 270 victims’ families during negotiations with the Libyan government, spoke with many of the families today. He told ABC News that some were pleased that Libya had taken steps to reform itself and ensure that no more lives would be lost as a result of its actions. Others, he said, still maintained bitter feelings toward Libya and especially its leader, Moammar Ghadafi, saying that he should be imprisoned.
Now that Libya has been removed from the State Sponsor of Terrorism list, under the original agreement Libya is to pay the remaining $2 million to each family. It remains to be seen if this agreement will still be honored since the escrow account has expired.
“We have continually expressed to the Libyans that whenever the secretary of state offers findings that Libya will come off the list, that Libya should put the money back into the escrow account and then indicate that it’ll abide by the agreement,” Kreindler said.
The obummer goal, same as the demorats, destroy the Jewish state.
We had an agreement with him and we broke it!
I’m not one of those boo-hooing today over Qaddafi getting rough justice from people he terrorized for 40 years, but here’s a pro tip: Laughing your way through a “veni vidi vici” joke while the rest of the planet is wincing at this isn’t a classic demonstration of “smart power.” In fact, pretty much any joke about death while the deceased is bleeding from his head into the ground is probably a bad bet if you happen to be chief diplomat for the world’s greatest military power. If you want to send a “let that be a lesson to you” message, send it earnestly and tactfully. As it is, if this had been Dubya instead of the Democrats’ heir apparent, the outrageous outrage would shake the very ground we trod upon.
In fairness to Hillary, though, the left’s newfound hawkish glee isn’t limited to her. Timothy Carney’s keeping an eye on Twitter:
Pictured here is a tweet from liberal blogger Markos, of the Daily Kos. It reads: “GOPers who criticized Obama’s approach in Libya … wrong again.”
The implication: If you objected to the President for illegally entering a war where vital U.S. interests were not at stake, you were wrong, because we killed Gadafhi. More briefly: Might makes right.
The liberal Center for American Progress made the same unliberal argument in August when Gadhafi lost control of the country, asking on twitter: “Does John Boehner still believe U.S. military operations in Libya are illegal?”…
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/20/hillary-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died/
Found these videos. Both are amazing. They are presented by a person VERY UNHAPPY with Obama and his stance with Africa as well as dividing the races to his benefit.
Be patient. Resist the urge to shut it off in the first minute or so.
Under Obama al-Qeada and the muslim brotherhood get The most populated muslim state, an oil rich muslim state, another crack at Iraq and this all comes with tons and tons of armaments. What could go wrong?
Appalled by Qaddafi’s Murder
DIANA writes:
I saw the grisly footage of Qaddafi’s murder on television. I had first to turn off the sound. Then, ashamed, I turned off the television. I have nothing more to say than that I am appalled that my country had anything to do with this grotesque caricature of justice. Actually, to call it a grotesque caricature of justice is to trivialize it. I have no words for it.
I’m not naive and I realize that the U.S. has taken part in assassinations, killings, etc., but there is something about this that simply takes my breath away. I want nothing to do with it. I’m in a complete state of dissociation with our political leaders, Republican and Democrat. I am thoroughly disaffected.
I’m not exactly mourning Qaddafi’s death. He was a very bad man who killed Americans. But what do you do? He seems to have reformed a bit in latter years. He stuck to his treaties and stopped baiting the U.S. He even said a few conciliatory, realistic things about Israel. I’m not saying this turned him into a Good Guy, but it showed he was sane. Now he’s gone and we’re supposed to rejoice? No thank you! Libya will turn to hell.
I do not believe I am alone in feeling so disgusted with just about everything, except my own life, which is going rather well. So I can’t be accused of generalizing my own misery. I am not miserable. Our politics is.
Laura writes:
I am appalled too. The average American seems to accept the media’s pro-democracy fairy tale. Our country took part in the assassination of someone who posed no imminent threat to us and, in doing so, aided avowed enemies. This is not a fairy tale, but a horror story.
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Alissa writes:
What goes around, comes around. This fiasco only shows how decadent the West has become. It would be one thing to arrest and kill Qaddafi during the 1970’s-1980’s but not now. For the past years Qaddafi has come around with nuclear disarmament, a weak peace resolution with Israel, weaker links to Islamic terrorists and whatnot. I’m sure the neoconservatives and the feminists are currently cheering about his brutal death. Unfortunately it’s not the Arab Spring and the fall of one man will not bring democracy. It’s the eternal Muslim civil war and one tyrant will be replaced by another. One reaps what one sows.
This is not a fairy tale, but a horror story.
Speaking of horror stories the amount of horror films released per year has increased considerably compared to the past decades. One theory speculates that this is due to family breakdown and the expansion of horror experienced in people’s daily lives.
Lawrence Auster writes:
Commenter Diana is a kindred spirit. I share her feeling that “I’m in a complete state of dissociation with our political leaders, Republican and Democrat [over the death of Kaddafi]. I am thoroughly disaffected.”
However, I have a question for Diana and for Laura: is your disgust directed only at the killing of Kaddafi, or at the entire U.S./NATO intervention in Libya of which is killing was the end result?
My point is that it makes little sense to decry the killing, but not the NATO military intervention that led to the killing. The aim of the intervention was the overthrow of Kaddafi. If he was overthrown, and if he didn’t flee the country, then, given the way these things tend to be done in Muslim countries, his unceremonious murder was a very strong likelihood.
In my view, therefore, if critics of what has happened in Libya want to stand on solid logical and moral ground, they need to denounce the entire intervention, not just the murder of Kaddafi which was the implied and all but inevitable consequence of the intervention.
Laura writes:
Is your disgust directed only at the killing of Kaddafi, or at the entire U.S./NATO intervention in Libya of which is killing was the end result?
No, the intervention itself was deeply wrong. I agree, it’s important to object first and foremost to this illegitimate intrusion into a sovereign nation’s affairs. I recommend the many recent entries at VFR, including this one on Michelle Bachmann’s statement against our involvement in Libya.