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To: algernonpj; All; Jim Robinson

“Once again you are conflating science with politics.”

NO, you are failing to see that the two CANNOT BE SEPERATED in certain situations. How many WRONG (unethical) things have been done in the name of science???? Ever hear of the Tuskegee experiments? How about “Operation Whitecoat” for Biological Warfare experiments?

Bottom line is that people MUST be informed and fully consent to what is going on. It is NEVER a function of government to FORCE/COERCE vacinnations when there isn’t an immediate threat to life and limb. Even then it is shaky.

Vaccinating preteen girls that “may” be exposed to a virus that “may” cause them cancer later in life IS NOT a matter of immediate public health. Using your “Nanny-State” reasoning, like I have stated, we may as well ban tobacco and alcohol....you would save many more lives than genital warts or cervical cancer will take.

And don’t argue “science” with me. I am educated in microbiology and immunology. I know the vaccine is useful, and will probably help prevent deaths....but that is beside the point. I won’t FORCE anyone to take a vaccine against their will or uninformed (anymore than I will force people to stop smoking). In all vaccination programs there is an inherrent risk verse benefits. I believe the benefits outway the risks....but that is an individual call and NOT MY PLACE or YOURS (or a governor) to make for another individual or child of a parent.

We either WILL respect parental/personal authority or we won’t. Those that “won’t” are Nanny-State types.

I don’t like the strange stories I am reading about how the vaccine causes “fill in the blank” and doubt the accuracy of such claims. It concerns me that folks are not seeking vaccinations for common pathogenic diseases for their children. However, people have a right to believe what they want.

Actually, nonsense like how Perry did this in Texas just adds to the irrational thinking. STOP TRYING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO SEE THINGS MEDICAL AS YOU THINK THEY SHOULD. You will not succeed...and you hurt your credibility in a free society.


82 posted on 09/19/2011 2:20:53 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas; All; Jim Robinson
Are you certain this post is directed to me? I agree with this post and your prior one.

When I posted re 'conflating politics with science' (#72), I was cc'ing you as a courtesy while directing my post to Jim from C-Town whose posts have been all over the place regarding the science behind Gardasil, seems to have a problem with patients and informed consent, and has been arguing for nanny state intervention regarding Gardasil which you accurately portrayed as:

"Vaccinating preteen girls that “may” be exposed to a virus that “may” cause them cancer later in life IS NOT a matter of immediate public health. Using your “Nanny-State” reasoning, like I have stated, we may as well ban tobacco and alcohol....you would save many more lives than genital warts or cervical cancer will take" .


In fact I pointed out to Jim from C-Town in my post #57, the same kind of nanny state reasoning would also ban tobacco, sodas, fatty foods.
110 posted on 09/20/2011 6:13:33 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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