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To: RobertClark

The States surrendered their sovereignty a long time ago.


15 posted on 09/17/2011 6:35:13 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a small monthly donor.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

“The States surrendered their sovereignty a long time ago.”

Some of them did, 11 of them fought until they couldn’t fight no more to preserve the rights of their people.

I say the fight for our basic rights to self-government never ends. I say the hand of force may crush it for a while, but like the Phoenix it must one day rise again from the Ashes to try again.


22 posted on 09/17/2011 6:46:45 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Repeal The 17th; Monorprise
The States surrendered their sovereignty a long time ago.

Actually, it happened in 1792 when the Constitution was declared to be in force.  Sovereignty is an all or nothing deal - either a state is sovereign, or it is not.  Under the Confederacy (1776-1792), the states retained their sovereignty.  Under the federal Constitution, the states ceded their sovereignty, but retained some rights of sovereignty under the IX and X amendments.Ynbsp; The XI amendment restored sovereign immunity, but not sovereignty.

I seriously doubt that the Supreme Court would allow an amentment to the Constitution to be overridden by a mere law.

But, for many reasons,

Kill the Bill

And yes, some states did recover their sovereignty for a short time, when they seceeded from the Federation and formed a second Confederacy.

BTW, the CSA flags had 13 stars.  Missouri and Kentucky were claimed| by both the CSA and the USA.

50 posted on 09/17/2011 9:57:06 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
The States surrendered their sovereignty a long time ago.

Let's be clear it wasn't surrender peacefully, it was taken by the sword and 600,000 paid the price for that evilness. Lincoln was wrong, the North was wrong, and now will will all pay.

55 posted on 09/17/2011 10:12:51 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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