Yeah. Right. And stop giving them photo ops too...
..as if they [The Race] are some sort of “ VOTING BLOCK “.
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Posted on 09/17/2011 6:48:05 AM PDT by markomalley
yep.
turd blossum gets on my nerves.
You call me arrogant and then make one of the more pompous statements I’ve ever encountered on Free Republic. As far as your “Mexicans” making up a major work force, are you including illegals who “supposedly” do work Americans won’t do. Categorizing people is counterproductive and comes from the TOTALLY LIBERAL MINDSET that denies individuality. Liberals NEED to group people together because then they can show that THEY know what’s better for that group. I don’t buy the “hispanic” thing and I don’t buy the hyphenated American thing. Stop accepting liberal premisees and challenge them. Don’t let them dictate EVERY argument. Oh yeah...I guess you missed that Bob Turner election, huh?
You are clearly off your meds, and have very poor reading comprehension. I started our little conversation by agreeing with you on the bigger issue of lumping folks together by race.
And then I simply pointed out why I thought it might be valid for purposes of this discussion. And I never made a distinction between legal and illegals - that was your knee jerk, emphasis on JERK - reaction.
I was having a friendly conversation on the intellectual analysis of this particular poll while agreeing with you on the bigger issue. Because you missed your morning chill pill, you flew off the handle. Go away, you bore me.
cumbo is off the meds today. Logic will not penetrate.
I can understand Hispanics supporting Voter ID. In Mexico, voter registration cards are laminated plastic, with a hologram, picture ID, and thumb print on the back...not to mention the ink-on-the-finger method to mark who’s voted.
We may laugh at Mexico (or cry, for that matter), but they take their voting integrity much more seriously than the US does.
This is largely due to the actual background of the Hispanics in question. Those of Cuban decent tend to be more conservative, since historically, most Cubans who came to the US were those of the middle to upper middle class whose very livelihood was destroyed by Castro's regime. Most Mexican immigrants as well as Central Americans who immigrate here, at least in the last 40 years, are poor even by their own country's standards, and they make up the majority of CO and NM immigrants, and naturally would be more open to the idea of government cradle-to-grave type policies. However, they aren't as hard-wired into liberalism as you'd think.
Even ethnically and racially, they are quite different.
Compare Marco Rubio, David Ortiz, and George Lopez. Ethnically speaking, they are quite different. Lopez looks physcially like a very typical Mestizo, but Rubio could pass for just a regular white guy rather easily. Freddie Prinze Jr. is another example. David Ortiz is just a black guy if not for Spanish being his native language.
As another example, actress Alexis Bledel, a blue-eyed white girl, is “Hispanic” according to the US definition, since her mother was from Mexico and her father from Argentina, although she has no appreciable Amerindian blood and I don’t even think she really has any Spanish heritage, either. I think she’s ethnically German and Irish or something.
Well, it’s akin to calling Americans, Aussies, Canadians, and Brits “Anglos” - which, granted, many do...
When considering that many US Hispanics are better classified as “Mexican-American” you’re right...but my last post shows why the term as defined is a bit fuzzy.
You’ve contradicted yourself more times that Joe Biden on a bad day. There is no sense in have an intellectual discussion on a poll that has no merit. And your contention that I flew off the handlle after the personal criticisms you directed at me is laughable. People in glass houses.....Don’t worry, Nurse Ratched will be around on the hour.
“In the majority of the country where hispanic labor is a major force, the majority are from Mexico and their habits and beliefs are indeed somewhat homogenous. At least homogenous enough to where this poll on this particular issue, where the conventional wisdom would have led us to believe they think otherwise, is at least worthy of mention.”
How much do you know about the hispanic poulation of New Mexico and Southern Colorado? In this region the majority have been there since the 1500’s when Spain controled the area. Most if not all of these families have no ties to Mexico, and tend to despise illegals with a passion. Try calling one of these people Mexican. You may end up missing a few teeth. I know this because I was born and raised in Northern New Mexico and come from one of these families.
Are you really arguing that Mexicans aren’t the majority, or at least a comfortable plurality, of the hispanics in this country? They are the closest biggest country - they share a huge border - and they have an awful economy. Most of our discussions with other nations on hispanic immigration happens with the President of.....wait.....Mexico.
I am not cherry picking any specific area. If you are from a certain area I would assume you know more about that area than I do. But I know demographics and geography and logic. And FTR, I was not making this an issue of legal versus illegal. The voter ID issue is only tangentally related to that given the realities of ID production ease.
In fact, my only point was that this was a legitimate issue to poll and that the results were pleasantly surprising. Why folks want to nitpick fights around irrelevant edges is beyond me.
democrat infantalization
Mr. Wright, you bring up some good points. The last statistic I saw was the 2/3 of American Hispanics were of Mexican origin. That is a very large block. However, it seems to me that the statistics would be improved if they broke those down. For example, instead of simply “Hispanic”, how about “Mexican American” and “Other Hispanic”. Such surveys would be MUCH more enlightening.
I was only pointing out that you cannot lump all hispanics together in these 3 states. Florida has a heavy Cuban population, New Mexico and Colorado have hispanic poulations that have been here for 500 years. These populations do not think and vote like the Mexican newcomers. Using these 3 states, you will get the results in this poll. You may know demographics, but you don’y know this specific demographic. I bet if you polled hispanics from Ca, Az, and TX you just might find the opposite is true there, as the hispanic populations there have nothing in common with that of the first 3 states. I’m not nit picking. I was just pointing out the differences. I also realize that Mexicans are the majority of the hispanic population in the US, but they are not in the mojority in NM,CO, or Fl.
The poll asked “voters”, and since illegals are not legally able to be “voters” I would say that this was a poll of people like those you mention. Or in any event those who have followed the rules and don’t want their vote canceled out by somebody who cheated. These numbers make sense.
The demographic that the political parties are afraid of offending, I think, is probably also included in this poll though - which is the people who are able to vote but maybe have relatives who are illegals. This poll suggests that legitimate Latino voters don’t necessarily want illegals to be able to vote through fraud. Which is exactly what the democrats - including the race-based Latino activists who favor communism - want to be able to happen.
So the dems/activists are trying to make it appear that there is no difference between legal voters and illegals who want to cheat. This poll suggests there is a difference. If voter ID laws are passed and implemented, the people who oppose the voter ID laws won’t have much impact on the election because they won’t be able to vote, since they were never legal to vote in the first place and the voter ID laws would stop them from voting.
Gov. Martinez on rock-solid ground.
Legislature...not so much. LOL
Texans take note this is how a Governor that is concerned about illegal immigration acts. Not by buddying around and kow-towing to Mexican officials, making speeches to La Raza and fighting for more entitlements for them.
It won’t matter. The MSM has their narrative and they are sticking to it.
The Democrats don’t give a rip what the unwashed masses think.
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