You are just wasting your time arguing with the Vattle Birthers. Nothing you say to them or prove to them will ever work, because they are one of two things:
1. Liars trying to deceive people.
2. Very, very stupid.
Either way, you are just talking to people who are not really open to facts or logic. They give other Birthers a bad name, and frankly, I find them about on the level of those people who don’t believe we landed on the moon, because they are one of two thing:
1. Liars trying to deceive people.
2. Very, very stupid.
I don't expect to convince them of anything. But I lurked in these threads for a long time before I said anything, and I learned a lot of history and law from people who don't bother to participate any more. I figure there may be new lurkers around now who are hearing these arguments for the first time, and those other people aren't around. Birther arguments can sound convincing when you first hear them, and somebody has to show how empty they really are. Others are doing a good job on the law side; that's not my area of expertise, but reading and understanding plain English is.