The ironic thing is, to the Left, government IS their religion.
The comparison is a non sequitor.
Christ is not limited...is neither...and is both.
These are distinctions necessary because man is a flawed being incapable of governing himself.
Capitalism cannot survive without being tempered and regulated (outside of government) by Him. Socialism fears truth and therefore Him
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But in my opinion, He is the ultimate (l)ibertarian.
this is interesting because it illustrates the libertarian’s need to destroy Christ. his creed is untenable—cannot survive—in the face of the existence of God. God is an existential crisis to libertarianism.
Nope. He came to free men not enslave them.
Socialists (Communists/Fascists/Marxists/other lefties) are about subjection and slavery. They are generally atheists and don’t believe in God. They never saw a lie they did not like. Ungodly vermin.
-- William Shakespeare The Merchant of Venice, Act I, Scene 3
NO he wasnt- i’ve been seeing this alot lately. god/jesus is hard core to the right.. a girl on facebook told me that god loves everybody even gays-WRONG - god showed his love for gays at sodom and gomorrah—http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah shes told me thats wrong— i said you are calling god wrong- you think god changed his mind about this? you and the world may see it wrong but he sees it the same as when he done it..god hasnt changed the world has
she says well jesus came and made all things new-TRUE-but jesus says when you see me you see the father( meaning he thinks the same as the father). jesus came for one purpose, to give his live for the sins for many (not all).. people will stand in front of jesus and say i worshiped you, and he will cast them in hell saying i never knew you- does that sound like a socialist to you?
I have considered this question in the past and came to realize is that what he asked of people was a voluntary personal giving out of love, not the government controlled giving of Socialism.
Next stupid question?
re: “The Bible is open to interpretation on many things. People can find scripture to support their own particular belief about who Jesus was, what he means to them.”
Ibryce, you are quite right that many, many people attempt to use the Bible to support their own ends.
However, do you think that because people disagree about the meanings in the Bible that there really isn’t a correct meaning? Or, to put it another way, because people interpret the Bible in many ways, do you think that there is no such thing as a “correct” interpretation?
As to socialism in the Bible. It’s true that the early church shared their wealth to help those in need - but, the big difference is that it was all Voluntary! It was something that some of the early Christians did of their own accord - no one demanded this of them - not even the Apostles.
Also, the Apostle Paul mentions in 2 Thessalonians that those who “do not work should not eat”. Private property was not taught against, but greed was. Putting one’s faith and trust in their wealth was foolish. The teaching of the Old and New Testaments are that the people of God are to take of the poor, and this was to be a willing, voluntary act of love. The poor were also expected to work and do their part as well. There was no expectation that everyone was to give up all their personal property. There was no expectation that the government was to do this either through taxes.
I heard recently of some “Christian” ministers speaking to Congress about not cutting social welfare programs and used the Bible to attempt to say that it was their responsibilitiy to take care of the poor. They are flat wrong - it is the Church that is to help the poor through voluntary donations of money and time. The Church is doing many, many things across the world to help people in dire straits. Private charity groups always do a better job of helping people and doing it without taking away the poor persons dignity. The government does just the opposite.
Jesus didn’t get into politics, since his kingdom isn’t of this world.
He didn’t do anything to either go for or against Rome. When pressed, he gave a coin out of a fish’s mouth for taxes.
Jesus was generally against lying, theft, murder and the oppression and killing of his followers. Socialism, being iniquity in state form, is probably not the way he rolls.
Emphasis added by me.
He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must WORK, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to SHARE with those in need. Ephesians 4:28
In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard WORK we must HELP the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” Acts 20:35
Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to WORK with your hands, just as we told you, 1 Thessalonians 4:11
nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we WORKED night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 2 Thessalonians 3:8
Our people must learn to devote themselves to doing what is good, in order that they may provide for daily necessities and not live unproductive lives. Titus 3:14
We are to work to provide for ourselves and share with those that CANNOT provide for themselves. It is not by compulsion or government theft. We give and receive, sow and reap, NOT tax and spend. God should be our source, not government.
Give, and you will receive. Your gift will return to you in full—pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, running over, and poured into your lap. The amount you give will determine the amount you get back.” Luke 6:38
He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done. Proverbs 19:17
Here is another way of thinking about it. The Jews spent several generations on the Egyptian plantation. It took God 40 years, and cost a whole generation their lives, to get Egypt (dependence on government) out of them, so they could trust God and receive their inheritance and The Blessing.
"We oppose Moralities"
(morals)...So they do not simply express a practical need for mediation as they come into developement of those societies,and as a result they are expressed in very strict rules which allow no deviation in any sense....... From this point of view Christainity is one of the most hateful of moralities.So Morality is not simply a codification of external sanctions, but is deeply rooted in individuals in the form of "Moral Conscience". This moral conscience is acquored and maintained largely as a result of the religious. ...............
Frankly I would not pay any attention to the latest ploy by the Commie/Fascist/Socialist/Progressive to marginalize religion. They desperately need the masses to renounce religion (and Germans in the 30's did,and the Russians did even earlier) for the State to become the ALL powerful Ruler.
First, for Christians, Jesus Christ is understood in terms of the Trinity, defined, I suspect, fairly well by Wikipedia as follows:
“The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — distinctly coexisting in unity as co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial, or of one being. The Trinity itself is considered to be a mystery of Christian faith.
“According to this doctrine, God exists as three persons but is one God, meaning that God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have exactly the same nature or being as God the Father in every way. Whatever attributes and power God the Father has, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have as well.
“The doctrine developed from the biblical language used in New Testament passages such as the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 and took substantially its present form by the end of the 4th century as a result of controversies concerning the proper sense in which to apply to God and Christ terms such as “person”, “nature”, “essence”, and “substance”.
“Trinitarianism contrasts with non-Trinitarian positions which include Binitarianism (one deity/two persons), Unitarianism (one deity/one person), the Oneness or Modalism belief, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ tritheistic monolatrist view of the Godhead as three separate beings who are one in purpose rather than essence.”
Second, Marxism, of which Socialism is one form along a spectrum, has, from its founding, held religions such a Christianity in contempt, and more severe forms of Marxism have rigorously and violently sought to purge such religions and their practice from society.
Marxists who try to posit Jesus as a fellow-Marxist of one sort or another, or who equate any form of Marxism with the teachings of Jesus, are disingenuous in the extreme. They make him out to be a mere wise man, and seek thereby to secularize his teachings and use them for their own political purposes, while willfully ignoring his essential divinity, which they abhor.
Socialism is the political outgrowth of philosophical materialism..which is atheist by definition.
Christ/God created man with free will.
Envy is a sin, Socialism is institutionalized sin.
Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knows that you have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Jesus is a monarchist. What else would He be?
jesus has nothing to do with politics-AT ALL- render unto ceaser the things that are ceasers and to god the things that are gods— meaning— ceaser has his laws and i have mine— jesus says fear not the man that can kill you in this world, i say unto you, fear him that have the power to cast you in hell fire after death- (forever)
The only thing "perplexing" him is his stereotypes. Capitalism is at heart a mutualistic system. The only regime that was all-but-explicitly founded on Social Darwinism, Nazi Germany, saw capitalists as milch-cows for their "betters" - i.e, the Nazis themselves. That ain't capitalist, no matter how much the sophistries are stretched. Sparing someone's life because he's useful to you doesn't mean you love him.
Fact is, our idea of free-market capitalism was born in the eighteenth century; it was sold by analogies to Newtonian mechanics. There have been some thinkers who have tried to graft Darwinism onto capitalism, but social Darwinism found a much more comfortable home in the progressive movement of a century ago. (Liberal Fascism.)
Jesus A Socialist? No, he was a Capricorn...