Vanity: Have We Reached the Point of No Return in Politics?

August 1, 2011 | Self

[Raycpa]

I have always thought that the direction our country would be set by people yielding to practical solutions that work. The left has always wanted us to be socialists but at least willing to push for changes that did little or no damage to our countries economy or its military status. The right has been patient with the left. Like a parent trying to discipline a child, the right has restrained itself and just like a parent has given in too much and given too little discipline.

However, I sense that we have reached a point of no return. The left doesn't care anymore if they destroy the country. They do not think our current country is worth saving. The goal of having their utopia created by government outweighs their rational thinking about the consequences.

The right has given up expecting their wayward child to change. They have metaphorically packed their kids bags and have disowned them. The right no longer wants anything to do with the left, even to the point that cooperation is reasonable. The right no longer wants to compromise because every past effort to compromise has ended with the left pushing just a little farther and no progress is being made for them to see they are wrong.

So, we are at a point that seems to me to be unbridgeable. We have two countries. Two countries sharing the same geography, government, businesses, social and religious structures. Two countries with two fundamentally opposed world views are not sustainable.

[Raycpa]

If they are not sustainable and they are not reconcilable, the future prospect for us as "One Nation Under God" is no longer real.

[Scythian]

Yes, we have, it’s over. (not joking)

[JoanVarga]

In a word, yes.

[Psalm 144]

Yes, we have, it’s over. (not joking)

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I think the point of no return was reached sometime between the elections of 2006 and 2008.

[Da Coyote]

The next step is civil war.

Count on it.

[Bon mots]

CWII is around the corner...

[PGR88]

With a Fed. Gov’t that spends 1/4 of every dollar in this country, the institutional bias, habits and corruption are certainly seem to be pointing in one direction only.

You can’t turn an aircraft carrier quickly, but you can turn it.

[TSgt]

YES

"Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came."

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

[dblshot]

In his book, Systemantics, the way systems act up, John Gall has an axiom that states, all systems eventually grow to the point where they oppose their own proper function. If it is the proper function of the federal government to promote life, liberty, and general wellfare of the people, I'd say a good case can be made for this system having reached that point.

[zzeeman]

Yes, pretty much (for all intents and purposes). The masks of pretense will still be displayed as long as possible, but more and more people are learning the truth each day. (Sadly not enough to make a difference at this point.)

[SoDak]

Ditto that...it’s the only logical conclusion.

[MestaMachine]

Yes.
I just posted this on another thread:

As far as I am concerned, Washington, DC is now nothing more than a shovel ready job that is waiting to be done. So we should gather our shovels, march on Washington...and bury it.

[RobinOfKingston]

Two countries sharing the same geography, government, ...

Unfortunately, I think the "government" you mention has chosen sides, and it ain't our side.

[grobdriver]

You can’t turn an aircraft carrier quickly, but you can turn it.

Not when a nutcase and his supporters have taken over the bridge and locked the rest of the crew out.

[Dead Corpse]

I just need 45 minutes to go grab my gear and to put the word out.

Ready when y'all are...

[arkady_renko]

Yes. The culture war and political war have merged.

The Right can not abide the Left's moral 'belief's' and the tolerant Left can not tolerate the right. It's over.

Someone in Russia is laughing right now. No shots fired in the end.

I've not felt this pessimistic before.

[Dilbert San Diego]

Well, in many ways, we are two countries. Socially, culturally, economically, politically, there are Two Americas. (does John Edwards have that phrase trademarked?)

I could imagine a future of America splitting. The northeast could split and be its own liberal country. Ditto with west coast liberal states.

Secession has been unthinkable. But with some liberal areas becoming so liberal/radical, and seeing irreconciliable views on taxes/spending/role of government/social issues, I think it’s possible that this could happen.

Throw illegal immigration and the changing demographics of this country into the mix, and it’s not out of the question that the map of America could change somehow.

[GourmetDan]

Maybe we could just wall off the cities.

Calling Snake Plissken... calling Snake Plissken...

[WayneS]

Reached it, and then some...

[Cboldt]

I don't see the collapse of the federal government as necessarily a catastrophe, because we all have local or country police to maintain general order, and we live in states that could probably spend the people's money better than the federal government does.