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European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
Vortex-L ^ | July 17 2011 | Akira Shiraka

Posted on 07/17/2011 2:17:45 PM PDT by Kevmo

European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat
Akira Shirakawa Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:18:25 -0700
Hello group,

All starts in the following link. It appears that the story is true, in that the person below did actually get to visit Rossi recently:

Julian Brown
July 17, 2011 - 12:41 pm | Permalink

Rossi gave me a personal demonstration of a group of 4 e-cats working at his
premises outside Bologna on Friday 8th. I saw essentially the same set up
reported by Krivit in June.

I was there in the capacity of friendly off-the-record adviser re patenting

Whilst I didn’t like the tone of Krivit’s June 16 report, I had arrived in
Bologna full of optimism.

I am afraid that I now fully share Krivit’s opinion.

There are a number of reasons for this. Here are a few.

As has been pointed out numerous times on this blog, the dryness of the
steam/water vapur is abolutely crucial to the viability of the e-cat.

Imagine my astonishment and disappointment on finding that Rossi makes no
attempt to monitor the dryness of the output and there was no appropiate
equipment visible on the premises.

It follows that Rossi can not possibly know whether he has 1,2 5 or even 10 percent
unvaporized phase by weight. Passive observers like myself, Krivit, Essen &
Kullander have even less chance of determining this crucial parameter.

Even worse, since the output tube went straight through a hole in the wall to
be vented/flushed outside, it could have been pure hot water and nobody, least
of all Rossi, could possibly know.

Basically, the whole set up defies even approximate quantitative calorimetric

Another odd thing was that Rossi pumped up the electrical power for a minute or
two shortly before turning it off and allowing me to see that the water kept an
output temperature of 100.5 for a couple of minutes.

This gave me the impression that it was a performance for my benefit and not
the rigorous testing procedure that the technician sitting in front of the PC
appeared to suggest.

The final clincher for me is that Rossi made a point of telling me that he was
currently vaporizing 15 litres / hour.
BUT, the peristaltic pump was exactly the same one he uses in all
demonstrations and it was pulsing about once every 2.5 seconds.
I make that 3 litres / hour, only 20 percent of what Rossi told me verbally.

And yet this small flow was being shared amongst 4 e-cat modules. That isnt
much of a stress test is it ?

The small chimney will result in a small overpressure and a boiling temperature
> 100 Celsius, so I am not impressed by 100.5 Celsius

I must admit that I didnt reach these dismal conclusion on the day. It took
about 3 days of pondering what I had seen before all the pieces of the puzzle
dropped into place.

It may be this explains why Rossi has been able to convince so many qualified
You dont want to believe it is just a gross and extremely simple circus trick.

He certainly has a charming manner; I liked him and would never suggest he has
criminal intent. My hunch is that he did make a discovery that goes beyond the
level acheived by Piantelli and Focardi, but that he got too enthusiastic too
soon, before he had really done due diligence. He is now trapped in the web of
commitments and claims he has made. A tragic figure really.

PS I was in experimental atomic physics research at Oxford from 1981-1989 and
have since that time been an employee of the European Patent Office.

A user named Paul Story (owner of eCatNews blog) told Rossi about this post on JONP:

Paul Story
July 17th, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Dear Dr Rossi,

Someone calling himself Julian Brown from the European Patent Office said (on
the eCatNews site) that you demonstrated the eCat to him personally on the 8th.
His comment is curiously detailed and my first reaction is to doubt its
authenticity. Can you confirm that this informal demo did or did not take
place? I intend to make a post about it to demonstrate the type of attacks you
are under if that is the case.

And this was Rossi's answer:

Andrea Rossi
July 17th, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Dear Paul Story:
Very funny: this clown, named Julian Brown, wrote me saying he was an officer
of the Patent Office and that he wanted give me suggestions.
I received him to get those suggestions, curious to know about what he had to
suggest. I was working in my Bologna lab when I received him ahd he saw one
E-Cat under test for no more that 30 seconds, after which I invired hin to
exit. He made no tests, he saw nothing, he just has taken a 30 seconds glance
at a totally closed box. He saw nothing, I said nothing.
We agreed, after a short meeting, that he would have mailed to me a text of a
patent that he thought would have many probabilities to be accepted. After some
day I received from this clown some text simply ridiculous, and in these text
there was written that my patent was based on patents made from my competitors.
I made a research and discovered that the patents of my competitors he referred
to had not been granted, but had been refused. Of course he has been sent from
such competitors to spy and to try to mess up with patents.
Conclusion: he lies when he says he made a test, he lies when he says he has
seen an E-Cat enough to say anything about it (just has taken a 30 seconds
look), he lies if he says he has seen the steam, he saw nothing because the
circuit was ermetically closed, he lies when he says that he is or has been an
officer of the Patent Office, he lies when he says he is an expert of patents,
he lies when he says that my Competitor he works with has a patent on this
matter granted in 1995.
It is clear that somebody, desperate of the fact that a 1 MW plant is close to
be started up, is trying to use all the method of a snake to try to put clubs
in the wheels. But all this is just clownery: my plants will give evidence in
the real marlet of the validity of my effect.
It is also clear that at this point I cannot give any more info or courtesy
visit before the start up of my 1 MW plant.

We will see how this story will develop. I fear however that if Julian Brown is really an EPO officer (I haven't investigated), Rossi will have a hard time now getting his European patent approved.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: cmns; coldfusion; ecat; lenr

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2 posted on 07/17/2011 2:19:37 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo; Red Badger

Okay! I just went through 31 pages of the 645 people employed by the European Patent Office.

Their is a Sara Brown.

3 posted on 07/17/2011 3:06:49 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“There is” Tired from ripping through all those pages!

4 posted on 07/17/2011 3:08:59 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Kevmo
"Imagine my astonishment and disappointment on finding that Rossi makes no attempt to monitor the dryness of the output and there was no appropriate equipment visible on the premises."

Why would Rossi need such equipment at this stage?? He already knows the answers from previous work. At this point in the process, he is looking at other variables.

5 posted on 07/17/2011 4:55:31 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo

here’s search results for a Julian Brown who’s an inventor:

6 posted on 07/17/2011 5:14:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again --
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra


I would imagine that at this stage, Rossi is the target of some industrial espionage. But why would such an individual blog about it?

7 posted on 07/17/2011 6:25:15 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Wonder Warthog; SunkenCiv

All good points. Note that at the original site, “Julian Brown” is withdrawing his stance.

July 17, 2011 - 3:19 pm | Permalink
Hi Julian…

That is interesting.

Please understand that, while trying to guard against malicious lies, I am keen to report on any side of the argument should the source be qualified. The background you cite is obviously well within that net and what you say is potentially important, if true.

Do you have some evidence of your visit and/or your identity? A letter of invitation, a photo, a website where your position can be verified?

On the specifics of your observation, if I had been working on a boiler for four years and understood its performance, I would not bother to try to prove it to myself and every visitor with the appropriate instrumentation. To me, that would be a waste of my time.

Your stated observations – taken at face value – would imply that a child could see the truth of the poorly performing eCats. Surely such an accusation is a terrible insult to those we know who did examine the devices closely?

And finally, while I understand (and respect) your reluctance to accuse Rossi of fraud, any indication that the device does not meet the specs he claims is indeed an implicit accusation of fraud – if not by him then surely by Defkalion who tell us that they work on the cores all the time and never get less than a multiplier of 19.

Can I also get another thought that is bugging me…

If you are on the level, I thank you for your comment. People need to hear what you have to say. However, unless you are using a pseudonym, why would a patent examiner risk his career by saying such a thing in public before an official patent is processed?


Daniel de França MTd2
July 17, 2011 - 9:48 pm | Permalink
I did not find any name Julian Brown related to EPO, except for an
inventor with this name:

Julian Brown
July 17, 2011 - 10:25 pm | Permalink
Can i ask you, for the sake of my family, to remove my submission to your blog.

It was sent in good faith, because I really care about the LENR field and don’t want it to suffer yet another set back, but I see I may have stirred up a hornet’s nest.

Julian Brown


8 posted on 07/17/2011 6:31:18 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo
Interesting KEVMO.

What people want is to see this hooked up to someone's house to generate electricity and see what happens.

Probably won't happen as soon as we'd like. Still, a thought for everybody. When I enclosed the interior of my garage area under my house it cut my monthly power bill about $50.00 ~ even though there was no direct air leakage from that area to the rest of the home. There was heat conduction through plasterboard and cement block.

Frankly, I didn't expect that at all, but it did encourage me to recommend that all folks buying a new house under construction PAY SOMEBODY to extra caulk the seams!

Later, when I replaced all the incandescent lights with fluorescent lights, that whacked my monthly power bill another $50 bucks. More recently the installation of a brand new thin line flat screen LED driven TV cut about $25 a month out of my bill.

We are getting down to cutting out heating and AC Fur Shur, but I digress.

We may see some results by October, but maybe not as quickly as we'd like. By January it should be possible to quantify the power curve by looking at demand served.

9 posted on 07/17/2011 8:08:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kevmo

“But why would such an individual blog about it?”

Maybe to just slow things down.

10 posted on 07/18/2011 5:08:50 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Kevmo

I became suspicious of Brown when he mentioned the name Krivit.

11 posted on 07/18/2011 11:59:20 AM PDT by citizen (Romney+Bachmann: Economic guy+Tea Party Values gal. I like it a lot!! No more Dick Obama in 2012!)
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