Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Normandy; reaganaut; Godzilla
The thing I think you are missing, Reaganut, is that something like the marriage at Cana being Jesus’ own wedding is not what the LDS Church teaches. Someone may have said it once — offered it as an opinion — but it’s just speculation. Its not in our scriptures and I have never heard it taught in any church meeting in the many years I’ve been a member.

The thing you are missing Normandy is that the one who was used of God to write most of the New Testament was an "apostle" (Paul) -- and John wrote five books -- and he was also an "apostle."

If an "apostle" offers up a public teaching that is not true (false), then the church body sanctioning that so-called "apostle" has an OBLIGATION to correct false statements so that when people come across them, they are NOT misled!

You strike me as a responsible person. But your cavalier approach to...
...Mormon once-taught, twice-taught, and often-taught concepts...
...concepts that have been jettisoned & are now scattered all over the Mormon landscape...
...reminds me of a babysitter who would let crawling babies wander around junkyards.
...And this stands out in sharp contrast to any air of responsibility -- that you would "Amen" such an approach to spiritual babysitting!

You just don't seemingly "care" as to what spiritual babes & toddlers might "own" as their own because Mormon leaders taught it and didn't retract it; and the Mormon church hasn't retracted it, either.

The tithes of so many Mormons has gone toward the constant support of junkyard theology!

494 posted on 07/12/2011 10:54:55 AM PDT by Colofornian (The Mormon church regards 100% of the founding fathers as apostates from the 'true' church)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 487 | View Replies ]


To: Colofornian; Normandy; reaganaut
Hi Norm and all after a long weekend away

I think it is safe to say that it has been clearly documented that your church taught that the wedding in Cana was that of Jesus.

Your problem is how are YOU going to justify those teachings.

These are not lay people Norm, but teaching with the full authority of their position - and not a single of one them were rebuked for those teachings - not opinions Norm. Read them in context - there is nothing there that lends themselves to even considering it to be 'opinions'.

Yes Norm, by standard accounting this is not "doctrine". But you've been shown that the church HAS taught it.

Finally Norm, the claim that it is their "opinion" has echoed time and again. The course of mormon teachings are littered with former doctrines and teachings now defined as "opinions" or even false doctrines. They were LIVING prophets at the times they gave these sermons Norm (going beyond this subject to the others), if they were alive somehow today would their testimonies be any less viable?????

False teachings given at general conferences reflect what Norm? False teachers.

495 posted on 07/12/2011 11:30:30 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 494 | View Replies ]

To: Colofornian

Apostle Orson Hyde asserted:

It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; ... no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the least of it.

I will venture to say that if Jesus Christ were now to pass through the most pious countries in Christendom with a train of women, such as used to follow him, ... he would be mobbed, tarred, and feathered, and rode not on an ass, but on a rail....

At this doctrine the long-faced hypocrite and the sanctimonious bigot will probably cry, blasphemy! ... Object not, therefore, too strongly against the marriage of Christ ... (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, pp. 259-60).

I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children.

All that I have to say in reply to that charge is this—they worship a Savior that is too pure and holy to fulfill the commands of his Father. I worship one that is just pure and holy enough “to fulfill all righteousness;” not only the righteous law of baptism, but the still more righteous and important law “to multiply and replenish the earth” (vol. 2, p. 210).

When the “Gentiles” stated that polygamy was one of the “relics of barbarism,” Brigham Young replied: “Yes, one of the relics of Adam, of Enoch, of Noah, of Abraham, of Isaac, of Jacob, of Moses, David, Solomon, the Prophets, of Jesus, and his Apostles” (vol. 11, p. 328).

On another occasion Young said: “The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with His train; I do not know who they were, unless His wives and children ...” (vol. 13, p. 309).

Essential to Salvation

After a special conference held in 1852, the Mormon church leaders began to devote much of their time to the preaching of polygamy. During the period that the Mormon church was openly practicing polygamy, the leaders of the church were declaring that it was absolutely necessary and essential for exaltation. One woman testified as follows in the Temple Lot Case: “Yes, sir, President Woodruff, President Young, and President John Taylor, taught me and all the rest of the ladies here in Salt Lake that a man in order to be exalted in the Celestial Kingdom must have more than one wife, that having more than one wife was a means of exaltation” (Temple Lot Case, p. 362).

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech9b.htm

In a sermon reported in the church’s Deseret News on August 6, 1862, Brigham Young stated:

Monogamy, or restrictions by law to one wife, is no part of the economy of heaven among men. Such a system was commenced by the founders of the Roman empire.... Rome became the mistress of the world, and introduced this order of monogamy wherever her sway was acknowledged. Thus this monogamic order of marriage, so esteemed by modern Christians as a holy sacrament and divine institution, is nothing but a system established by a set of robbers....

Why do we believe in and practice polygamy? Because the Lord introduced it to his servants in a revelation given to Joseph Smith, and the Lord’s servants have always practised it. “And is that religion popular in heaven?” It is the only popular religion there ... (Deseret News, August 6, 1862).


496 posted on 07/12/2011 1:07:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 494 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson