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To: Mr Rogers
No, they are NBS by common law, not statue, and the US followed England.

No, the NBS may be common law to England but it is NOT natural or common to the United States.

The US Constitution is unambiguous - we are citizens by birth, something Vattel calls naturalization - but again, US law does NOT call that naturalization. Naturalization is what is done for someone born elsewhere, and falls under Congress, not the Constitution.

That's what I meant as being "unambiguous."...that the natural born citizen clause in the US Constitution is a direct reference to natural law, and the Brit empire law(s) of Natural Born Subjects are man-made statute(s) that was made to controlled conquered lands occupied by indigenous populations. It's made up and not natural. You didn't comprehend again. Naturalization is a process to make people citizens by law as de Vattel clearly states.

262 posted on 05/08/2011 6:11:34 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; bluecat6; LucyT; Hotlanta Mike

Golly. Every court disagrees with you. Guess it is all part of a huge conspiracy!

Every NBS in the colonies became a NBC in the US. No exceptions. I’ve cited multiple court cases, but you don’t care because you worship Vattel - who has ZERO influence on citizenship in the USA. And NBS was NOT based on laws of Parliament, but on common law - and the DEFINITION was carried over by the states and the Constitution.

States that had NBS in their laws changed it to NBC without any further modification - because the meaning was unchanged.

Vattel’s theory of citizenship following the father has NEVER been the law in the USA. There is not a single case of someone being born in the US who was denied citizenship based on the father.

Nor is there any case where a NBC has been held to be different than a native citizen or a born citizen or a citizen by birth.

You Vattel-worshipers can bow to you deity as much as you want, but not a single court in the USA ever has or will.

“The WKA ruling declared WKA a CITIZEN, NOT, REPEAT NOT, NEVER a “natural born Citizen”.”

Odd. The judge writing the dissent thought it did! But you would say they spent half the decision discussing something irrelevant - while every court since has followed WKA.

Oh well! Live in your fantasy world with the other idiots at WorldNutDaily!


270 posted on 05/08/2011 7:42:30 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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