[sam_paine]

I always believed there would be a tipping point against the government, but I fear the tipping point might now be an uprising in favor of the government.

I think you're probably right. Any "flashpoint" of "old America" you see will end up more like Waco.

Isolated patriots (not saying Koresh was a patriot, but I am saying that any patriots who fight back will be given the exact same child molester, gun nut, psycho messiah media treatment that he was given, deserved or not.) For crying out loud, look what they have done to the reality of the Tea Partier! Very clearly law abiding grannies have been branded and sold as "scary, violent, neo-nazi racists."

When in fact, the thugs on the other side have been labeled "peaceful protesters for Democracy."

Anyway, the only true revolt possible when the moochers overtake the makers will be "Atlas Shrugging."

The producers have to stop feeding the machine. If we have passed the point of no return, then there can be no Alamos that lead to a San Jacinto victory. There can only be a desolation left by not giving productive light to "their" world. So to the extent guns can be used to protect your family while the looters loot, that's about it. Turning directly to a Constitutional Restoration movement as in Mexican Texas I just don't think can work in the modern age...in other words, I don' think we'd see much better results than the thugocracies that filled the voids in Afghanistan, Iraq, "Palestine," Egypt, Libya etc..

It will be interesting to see how the general public and the media responds to the new Atlas Shrugs Movie coming out on April 15!

[DTogo]

RE #75, disagree.

[Hacklehead]

“Isolated patriots (not saying Koresh was a patriot, but I am saying that any patriots who fight back will be given the exact same child molester, gun nut, psycho messiah media treatment that he was given, deserved or not.)”

The media in countries like Egypt, Syria, Libya, and even in the ex USSR were totally govt controlled. It didn’t save them.

[jboot]

Don't forget the key factor in any revolution: the side that the Army is on always wins. The regime thugs will melt away like snow on a June beach whern Army boots and heavy metal hit the scene.

History tells us that when the SHTF the Army doesn't always support the government. It bears remembering...and cultivating.

[RFEngineer]

“I always believed there would be a tipping point against the government, but I fear the tipping point might now be an uprising in favor of the government.”

I’ve felt a little uncomfortable for a while about what federal employees WOULDN’T do to keep their outsized pay and benefits, particularly federal law enforcement.

Now, after seeing what happened in Wisconsin with unions mobilized and police unions complicit to some degree it’s clear that this will be used as a template against any federal cutbacks. The coalition of check recipients combined with federal employees/retirees and federal law enforcement and soon the “pink shirts” (the gay parts of the military) - who knows what could happen?

If thug tactics are used to keep the checks flowing, then I think you are right- opting out is the only way to go.

I think there is a better way than “going Galt” - everyone stops working and everyone applies for welfare/food stamps or whatever state/federal programs they can to expedite the bankruptcy of the entitlement gravy train.