Posted on 02/28/2011 9:26:48 AM PST by ironwill
COLORADO SPRINGS - The security guard who saved lives by shooting a gunman at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs has apparently been asked to leave.
In December 2007, Jeanne Assam - working as a volunteer security guard - shot Matthew Murray after he killed two people outside the church. He killed two others the night before at a training center for Christian missionaries in Arvada.
Assam was honored for her quick action. Murray likely would’ve killed more people at the church if she had not shot him repeatedly then pinned him down.
Assam says last year when she told church leaders she is gay, she was asked to leave the church.
New Life pastor Brady Boyd told the Colorado Springs Gazette the report is untrue. "We would never tell someone to leave because of their sexual orientation," Boyd says. "Jeanne will always be a hero at New Life."
Assam gave a speech on Saturday, February 19 at the Pride Center’s annual masquerade ball, a fundraiser for the gay community in Colorado Springs.
The Gazette reports she spoke of the pressures society places on gay people.
New Life Church was in the national spotlight in 2006 when Pastor Ted Haggard left after admitting he had had a relationship with a male escort in Denver.
CC, you are engaging in a logical fallacy known as equivocation by equating hosepipe's statement that cheating on your tithes is a sin with the assumption that since the text of the NT does not contain a command to tithe that it is therefore not an obligation that leads to sin. Is it your position then, that only those obligations that are specifically enumerated in the text of the NT can be called a sin?
Aren't you simply putting yourself under a different type of the law, one that you apparently find in the NT?
Tithing was aprt of the Law. Jesus said that He did not come to abolish that Law, that it wouldn’t change one tittle.
While we will NOT be judged under the Law, the Law is still there. The OT is not just something to read and yet ignore. Tithing is in the Bible for a reason. Tithing was for the Levites doing Gods work. Your Pastor, your church (hopefully) does Gods work. Tithe to it. Tithe to God.
My pastor isn't a Levite.
Whatever. You’re obviously a righteous fellow — go ahead and cast the first stone.
He said the law would not pass away until "all is accomplished". (Mat. 5:18) All was accomplished on the cross, thus Christ's last statment: "It is finished". (Jn 19:30)
What I said, was that I don't think either one of them -- Assam or Boyd -- is being completely honest.
I'm not sure how you make that out to be "broad-minded," even if you meant it sarcastically. I am more inclined to call it "cynicism, tempered by experience."
It's interesting how trusting people can be, when it suits our preconceptions.
A hospital is for sick people. A hospital isn’t to be run by sick people.
OK, do you go to Jerusalem 3 times a year? Do you hold your ‘tithes’ every third year as the same law requires? Have you been making the same required offerings as well (brings commanded contributions to about 22%)?
You want to follow the Law - then FOLLOW the law to the jot and tittle.
They don’t understand that the early church met in peoples homes. The Apostles were sent out to preach, not to build soaring edifices. They were supported with food, clothing and lodging. The early church supported one another and helped outside their group when they found a need. Jesus told the 12 to “Feed my sheep”. There was nothing about building churches and tithing. The “church” isn’t a building but the people.
Post 77.
But New Life fired Haggard, right? So there’s no hypocrisy on their part, assuming this news story is true, right?
I don’t know enough about Haggard’s situation to comment on the rest of your post about his new church. He certainly seems like the poster boy for why Paul enjoined churches to select leaders who are above reproach.
Yeah, but they should be able to understaned Paul when regarding giving to the Church he says, “Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”
Bump that!
I think a lot of churches push tithing and don’t preach on what Paul said. My Pastor says “Give what you can and do it in love”.
Which is exactly what the Apostle Paul said. Good Pastor.
He’s a “keeper”!
:-D
Poor Godzilla.
Seems a bit angry. Or stingy.
I do tithe. And more. Not bragging, I give God the glory that I can.
Tithing is important. Your earnings are from God anyway, they belong to Him, ALL OF IT. Yet He asks only for a tithe.
You claim to be a Christian, to be saved? Yet you do not tithe? Why would you not? What possible reason would you have for NOT giving back to God?
Is it because you do not trust that He will supply all your needs from His riches? You trust Him with your soul, but not your bank account?
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