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To: lbryce
Michael Vick made the mistake of hurting animals, while MOST “sports-figures-turnedcriminlas" have the good sense to commit THEIR crimes against mere HUMAN BEINGS.

So, it's perfectly logical for Mr. Vick to be vilified for the rest of his life (despite the fact that all indications are he really HAS changed his ways), while other sports figures-turned-crimainals (rapists, armed robbers, drug dealers and man-slaughterers/murderers) are forgiven and their crimes forgotten. Perfectly 'logical', that is, IF you are some kind of whacked-out, liberal, human-hating, animal-worshipping, moon-bat.

At least Michael Vick never blamed anyone but himself for his actions. When his co-conspirators laid the whole dog-fighting operation at his feet, he did not show up on TV News 3 times a day to deny the charges and vow that "the truth" would come out. In fact, I did not hear him say anything publicly in his own defense. He accepted the blame, accepted his prison sentence, did his time, vowed to change his behavior and appears to have done so.

In other words, he accepted personal responsibility for his own actions. That is something which conservatives CLAIM they think is a good thing. Furthermore, personal redemption and forgiveness is something which Christians CLAIM each of us can achieve/receive. Given those two things, I cannot understand the derision which continues to be heaped on the man by so-called conservative ‘pundits’ (and others claiming to be conservatives and/or Christians).

18 posted on 12/29/2010 8:37:42 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: WayneS

My dear...it only STARTS with animals. I don’t agree he should be put to death, but he should NEVER be in a position of ANYONE looking up to him; but rather, spending his entire life with head bowed, with NO notariety, and every day trying to make up for what he did!


21 posted on 12/29/2010 8:42:06 AM PST by NordP (COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVES - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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To: WayneS

Why do you think someone that thinks very little of Michael Vick condones violence towards humans? That doesn’t make sense.


22 posted on 12/29/2010 8:42:36 AM PST by The Toll
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To: WayneS
In other words, he accepted personal responsibility for his own actions

Oh please. The man didn't even think he was doing anything wrong. He only owned up because there was really no other choice. As for his changing ways, what other course of action could he take? Preposterously maintain his innocence and live in poverty?

I certainly don't think he deserves execution, and I do think he's paid his price and is entitled to earn a living with his talents. But someone who treats dogs as he did without any hesitation is a morally reprehensible human being worthy of lifelong contempt, in my opinion.

23 posted on 12/29/2010 8:44:17 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: WayneS

“So, it’s perfectly logical for Mr. Vick to be vilified for the rest of his life (despite the fact that all indications are he really HAS changed his ways), while other sports figures-turned-crimainals (rapists, armed robbers, drug dealers and man-slaughterers/murderers) are forgiven and their crimes forgotten. Perfectly ‘logical’, that is, IF you are some kind of whacked-out, liberal, human-hating, animal-worshipping, moon-bat.”

Stop. Making. Sense.

Wayne, that was an excellent post. You’ve definitely set the bar on this thread for clear, and logical thinking.


31 posted on 12/29/2010 8:51:05 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: WayneS
"So, it's perfectly logical for Mr. Vick to be vilified for the rest of his life (despite the fact that all indications are he really HAS changed his ways), while other sports figures-turned-crimainals (rapists, armed robbers, drug dealers and man-slaughterers/murderers) are forgiven and their crimes forgotten. Perfectly 'logical', that is, IF you are some kind of whacked-out, liberal, human-hating, animal-worshipping, moon-bat."

Nobody said any such thing.

Tell me, does your straw man have a name?

41 posted on 12/29/2010 8:59:31 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: WayneS
In other words, he accepted personal responsibility for his own actions. That is something which conservatives CLAIM they think is a good thing. Furthermore, personal redemption and forgiveness is something which Christians CLAIM each of us can achieve/receive. Given those two things, I cannot understand the derision which continues to be heaped on the man by so-called conservative ‘pundits’ (and others claiming to be conservatives and/or Christians).

Because most of these are not really Christians - they are Old Testament Retributionists.

59 posted on 12/29/2010 9:23:20 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: WayneS
Ted Kennedy killed a young woman, and he did in a heartless and cruel way and I think, first of all, he should have been executed for that, he wasn’t, but the idea that the President of the United States would be getting behind someone who murdered a young woman is kind of beyond the pale.
113 posted on 12/30/2010 10:05:01 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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