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Victor Davis Hanson: Two Californias
Orange County Register ^ | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 12/17/2010 2:54:03 PM PST by Ron C.

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Mr. Hanson also said:

In two supermarkets 50 miles apart, I was the only one in line who did not pay with a social-service plastic card (gone are the days when “food stamps” were embarrassing bulky coupons). But I did not see any relationship between the use of the card and poverty as we once knew it: The electrical appurtenances owned by the user and the car into which the groceries were loaded were indistinguishable from those of the upper middle class.

1 posted on 12/17/2010 2:54:03 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

California is doomed: Thread #9872


2 posted on 12/17/2010 2:55:35 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: Ron C.

I am glad you posted this. I heard his interview on John and Ken.


3 posted on 12/17/2010 2:59:04 PM PST by ColdOne (:*))) MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU!!!!!)
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To: dragnet2

Yep - and as they have said for years, ‘As California goes, so goes the nation.’


4 posted on 12/17/2010 2:59:44 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

California is the garbage collection of the west. Nothing left here but crap.


5 posted on 12/17/2010 3:00:19 PM PST by Logical me
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To: ColdOne

I wish I had heard the interview! Hanson is one of the best and brightest in this state, and almost always ahead of the curve.


6 posted on 12/17/2010 3:02:13 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

>> an elite environmental ethos that restricts commerce and productivity without curbing consumption

LOL! I never thought about it that way but VDH is exactly right. For all their enviro-zeal, big-city Californians are among the most materialistic folks I have ever known. They buy (and eventually discard) more “stuff” than people just about anywhere else.


7 posted on 12/17/2010 3:03:57 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Ron C.

Have you read VDH’s 2004 book entitled “Mexifornia”?

Quite interesting.


8 posted on 12/17/2010 3:04:21 PM PST by MplsSteve (Governor Mark Dayton? That's so incredibly alarming, don't you think?)
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To: Nervous Tick
Hey... have you been to a 'second-hand' store lately. You can find brand new things there (perhaps worn once or twice) for peanuts.

The guy who owns one of them told me that he HAS to price stuff so low - to 'get it out of here' - because he can't process whats coming through the back door unless most of the stuff IN THE STORE 'moves out today or tomorrow' otherwise he will be overwhelmed within 48 hours!

Sadly, the majority of the people buying are Mexicans that can't speak English - the majority of those donating are white Americans.

9 posted on 12/17/2010 3:13:21 PM PST by Ron C.
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Restored - noting this has been posted twice prior. Please see the following links - neither of which now exist in a sidebar entry today.

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Also - listen to Victor Davis Hanson interview done today on the John and Ken show - for much more on the topic of much of California turning into a third-world dump.

Listen here

10 posted on 12/17/2010 4:16:04 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Jim Robinson; goldstategop; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; ...

I am so glad that I got out while the getting was good.


11 posted on 12/17/2010 4:26:27 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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I'm trying VERY HARD to 'get out of Dodge' myself - but it looks like it will be 6 or 7 more months until I can.

But - from the look of it there won't be (and perhaps already IS NOT) any place in the US where you can escape the damage being done to this nation.

12 posted on 12/17/2010 4:31:40 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Clintonfatigued; dragnet2
I am so glad that I got out while the getting was good.

So am I but it's getting to be there is nowhere to go.

Some States are better than others but we best soon get a grip on the whole "enchilada" as well as the liberal infestation that is destroying it all.

13 posted on 12/17/2010 4:37:34 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I’ve heard about Nevada getting caught in it, but it varies from state to state. You’re correct that we need to get a grip on this before it’s too late.


14 posted on 12/17/2010 4:38:56 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I’ve heard about Nevada getting caught in it, but it varies from state to state.

We have three major problems here, SEIU, the Culinary Workers Union and Reid.....three different entities yet one and the same.

Nevada on the other hand is a Gun and Corporate friendly State.

No State income tax either.

15 posted on 12/17/2010 4:44:24 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Ron C.
I left Calif a little more than a year ago. There is definitely life after “Cali,” and there are a number of great states that will gladly receive you as ,long as you don't try and bring the California attitude and thinking with you.

The sooner you can leave the better. A year from now, it will probably be more difficult. Most people in the Golden State are still trying to arrange the deck chair on the Titanic.

16 posted on 12/17/2010 5:12:21 PM PST by rjamesca (Been there, done that . . .)
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To: Ron C.

No matter where you move, you’ll still be bailing out California’s annual fiscal messes (through Federal taxes). Unless Repub’s in Congress can stop the CA bailouts.


17 posted on 12/17/2010 5:15:11 PM PST by 4Liberty ( How do you spell "moral hazard"?: $ 19, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0.)
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Yes indeed - all American's get to pay for the fiscal messes in every state - through Federal taxation.

Damned sad state of affairs!

18 posted on 12/17/2010 5:40:41 PM PST by Ron C.
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Yep - and as they have said for years, ‘As California goes, so goes the nation.’

Well, there is such a thing as getting too far out in front of the parade. Last November California continued to goose-step toward the cliff while the rest of the nation took a clear, hard right turn. Granted, we had to horse-collar numerous corrupt, idiot incumbents, but at least now we can see the right direction ahead.

19 posted on 12/17/2010 5:45:56 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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I'll be moving to Arizona - to probably the most conservative town left there (Prescott) - but even that once very conservative redoubt has been massively polluted by LIBERAL CALIFORNIANS fleeing the mess that THEY made here with their stupid voting habits. Now THEY have elected a liberal democrat to THAT congressional district.

California is indeed the Titanic - going down very fast now. But beware - liberal Californians are fleeing to any-town USA, likely a lot of them right where you live.

20 posted on 12/17/2010 5:47:30 PM PST by Ron C.
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