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'Birther' reverses course, says he would deploy [Terrence Lakin]
KSRO Radio, AP ^ | 12/15/2010 | AP

Posted on 12/15/2010 4:47:28 PM PST by iowamark

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To: iowamark
Assange walks free on bail....

..Lakin gets prison.

NOT an even playing field.

61 posted on 12/16/2010 7:27:54 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: Drew68

Like too many, you have missed the point. Those in our military have taken an oath to DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION. OUR CONGRESS did not and has not yet done it’s job to vet OBOZO and with all the money he has spent to hide his past and has yet to produce his real bc, he obviously has something to hide. What? Since the congress missed it and is now complicit in this mess our military should be first in demanding to verify Obozos eligibility to serve as president. Look at the rules of engagement he has instituted on our troops, the top brass are complying and an increase of troop injury and death is the result. Our military is next to the last bastion of preserving our freedom and they need to adhere to their oath to defend our constitution and they aren’t doing it. The dishonor is on those who fail to uphold their oath and follow BLINDLY. Lt Col Lakin took a stand on this issue and for that he demonstrated that he takes his oath seriously. That, in my mind is worthy of honorable man.


62 posted on 12/16/2010 7:39:48 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Non-Sequitur
Facing serious time in Leavenworth might do that to a person.

It certainly will.
63 posted on 12/16/2010 7:50:29 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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To: The Man

Exactly.


64 posted on 12/16/2010 7:51:33 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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To: Guenevere

Lakin will probably not get prison. Just my guess.


65 posted on 12/16/2010 7:52:59 AM PST by iowamark
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To: omegadawn

Agreed.


66 posted on 12/16/2010 7:55:30 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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To: PA-RIVER
Every one in the Army wakes up this morning, knowing their CIC can't produce a 10 dollar American birth certificate that a soldier cannot violate a punitive article of the UCMJ.

I hope the truth is not too painful for you. lol

67 posted on 12/16/2010 8:01:30 AM PST by verity
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To: verity
I hope the truth is not too painful for you.

Evidently the truth is painful for you since you felt compelled to strike through a true statement.

68 posted on 12/16/2010 8:50:47 AM PST by edge919
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY; verity; P-Marlowe

That wasn’t the issue at all, and that’s where Lakin made his mistake.

He thought the issue was the birth of Obama.

The issue was did he or did he not miss movement. Those of us with military experience tried to say that months ago, but we were shouted down.

If they had charged him with insult to his commander, then he might have been able to get his info in (which I kind of doubt.)

They kept it simple. They charged him with missing movement. He did. It’s indisputable that he did. And sadly, a good man is going down for a lapse in judgment.

I still hold out hope they’ll be lenient with him.


69 posted on 12/16/2010 9:27:56 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: edge919

Your complete lack of understanding is painful. Your denial does not alter the facts.


70 posted on 12/16/2010 10:03:53 AM PST by verity
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To: xzins
I cannot understand how an educated and intelligent person with that many years of service had a lapse of good judgment and allowed himself to become a pawn.
71 posted on 12/16/2010 10:07:45 AM PST by verity
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To: verity
I cannot understand how an educated and intelligent person with that many years of service had a lapse of good judgment and allowed himself to become a pawn.

You gotta figure this guy is really bright to make it through pre-med, med-school, residency, practice, military career, surgical training, etc.

I suspect, though, and I haven't looked at a bio on him, that he must never have commanded. That would have put him in touch.

Beyond that, his innate intelligence should have told him this was a really questionable move on his part.

How do you be around the military that many years and not know this stuff?

72 posted on 12/16/2010 10:13:03 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: xzins

If you should come across more info on this, would you please let me know? Thanks, padre.


73 posted on 12/16/2010 10:20:39 AM PST by verity
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To: verity
Your complete lack of understanding is painful. Your denial does not alter the facts.

The fact is that President Stitch Lips has failed to prove his constitutional eligibility. The fact is that Lakin is held to a standard that requires him to submit a legal birth certificate. Stitch Lips was not. You crossed out a statement that was factually true and now all you have is ad hominem, but pointless commentary.

74 posted on 12/16/2010 10:25:36 AM PST by edge919
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To: xzins
Beyond that, his innate intelligence should have told him this was a really questionable move on his part.

He knew it was a questionable move and took a calculated gamble. It's stupid to suggest he didn't know he was taking a risk.

75 posted on 12/16/2010 10:26:58 AM PST by edge919
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To: xzins

I’m thinking that a deployment order is more in the nature of a human resouces issue than act act of war issue. He was being moved from one. Facility to another. He was not being asked to engage in battle. Had he been ordered into a combat situation, he could have claimed conscientious objector status which might have gotten him booted from the military, but at least he would have had a chance to put on a defense. Here he was being moved from one location to another, which is an administrative order and not an executive order.

Just my thoughts.


76 posted on 12/16/2010 10:34:30 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: edge919
Obummer’s eligibility and Lakin’s violation of the UCMJ are two separate issues. Nevertheless, you have an absolute right to believe otherwise.
77 posted on 12/16/2010 10:34:59 AM PST by verity
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To: verity
Poor O, just couldn't get that BC .... poor guy.

But all last summer he had time to golf, eat lobster at Martha's Vineyard, etc.

The 16 soldiers produced their certificates, made their way all the way to Afghanistan, and then got shot.
Lakin produced his BC , went to trial, and is going to Jail.

And O? O got to play basketball and tell Americans that we are the enemy and still refuses to show his records.

So what did we gain? We gained some knowledge about our CIC.

We now know that Obama will, and has, put troops in danger rather than release his qualifying records.

Now I ask you, is that an impeachable offense? Is he qualified to serve? Be honest.

78 posted on 12/16/2010 10:36:41 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER
Obummer’s eligibility and Lakin’s violation of the UCMJ are two separate issues.

Lakin's issue has been resolved; now the eligibility issue must be resolved. Whining about Lakin will will not resolve the eligibility question.

79 posted on 12/16/2010 10:45:22 AM PST by verity
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To: P-Marlowe

Up til a few years ago, the military was treating AWOL, and even desertion, as simply an administrative discharge issue. They might hold you in the brig ‘til the legal hurdles to kick you out were cleared — and that more to keep you from running again than anything else. (Although, they felt no compulsion to expite anyone...foot-dragging was real possible, so sometimes brig time might be 3-4 months.)

Missing movement was being treated as AWOL/Desertion. I don’t know that they’re still that lenient, since we’ve been at war for a number of years now, and and wear-n-tear on deployed troops might have caused patience and leniency to wear out. Understandably.

However, it was being treated as an admin issue. In wartime, it can be much worse. That doesn’t mean the military really wants to devote the time or resources toward pushing a hardnose attitude toward missing movement.

My guess is that it’s still administrative. If so, then the only thing that would get Lakin more punished than others would be his rank and the visibility of his case.

That would be unfair, but it also wouldn’t be that unfair...given his rank.


80 posted on 12/16/2010 11:45:30 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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