Posted on 12/15/2010 12:54:18 PM PST by OldDeckHand
What was dismissed? When will the appeals be filed?
Total forfeitures is way over the line.
“What About “I’m not wild about homosexuals in the military” constitutes promoting the homosexual agenda? The ones promoting the homosexual agenda are Congress. But the military is stuck with it if it becomes law.”
Because persons like yourself, in the name of “respecting the constitution” have crucified LTC Lakin. The same that will happen to those in the military that take a stand. YOU helped bring that about by dissing LTC Lakin’s attempt to get answers. Your ilk set the groundwork for others to be persecuted on the homosexual issue.
IMO you are promoting a homosexual agenda regardless of what you claim.
And by the way. It is absolutely idiotic for you to ask such a ridiculous question about overthrowing the government. You should know better than to even mention such a thing.
“Hey, douche-bag. If you’re going to disparage someone, why don’t you show a little courtesy to ping them. SFB.”
Why should I? You don’t play well with the other children. You are incapable of civil discourse. You use profanity with impunity, etc. Keep it up. You are a living example of why the JAG Corps is passe.
Shocking. More douchebaggery from you. In this regard, you never disappoint.
“And by June 2011 he can sue Obama as he will have standing.”
Not happy with convincing Lakin to ruin his career, Red Steel now tries to convince Lakin to spend any money he has left over on worthless law suits...
Of course, since Lakin admitted he was wrong to disobey orders, and wrong not to deploy, he doesn’t seem TOO likely to believe the Internet Lawyers who want him to waste any savings he has on lawsuits, now that he has ‘standing’!
Good grief! Haven’t you Internet leeches hurt the man enough? A good lawyer did the best he could with a large can of worms and got him a lenient sentence. But now the Birther Cabal is dancing around, claiming Lakin has ‘standing’ - a term birthers don’t have a clue about - to sue Obama for Lakin’s own guilty plea! What do you ILs expect - the lawsuit will allow discovery, just like this court martial was supposed to give you?
Lakin acted the idiot and is paying a mild price after groveling in court. Find someone else’s life to try to destroy...
IOW, mr "conservative" isn't against it, he's just not wild about it....sounds like promotion to me too.
Oh please. Lakin is his own man and nothing what I say is going to influence him one way or the other.
Of course, since Lakin admitted he was wrong to disobey orders, and wrong not to deploy, he doesn’t seem TOO likely to believe the Internet Lawyers who want him to waste any savings he has on lawsuits, now that he has ‘standing’!
But he pled 'not guilty' to the specification charge number 1. And since Lakin has suffered injury he has standing.
Good grief! Haven’t you Internet leeches hurt the man enough? A good lawyer did the best he could with a large can of worms and got him a lenient sentence.
Oh nuts. It was you who said that the sentence was too light, and I said he got what I thought would be the sentence.
Lakin acted the idiot and is paying a mild price after groveling in court. Find someone else’s life to try to destroy...
Again, it was you who wanted the jury panel to throw the book at Lakin - not me.
Will Dr. Lakin now have standing since he has been injured?
“Lakin acted the idiot and is paying a mild price after groveling in court.’
Your opinions trully are disgraceful. Red Steel is the smart one here.
He does have court standing but I doubt anyone knows what he will do at this point.
You are the one attacking the military for not rebelling, not me. And you and your like have encouraged a rather pathetic man to act stupid, and now he has to pay the price.
There is no connection save in your hysterical imagination.
LTC Lakin was not crucified. He disobeyed lawful orders. He was court martialed for that. But in case your unaware of it, the practice of addressing disobedience to lawful orders via court martial predates LTC Lakin. He set no precedent in that regard.
If Congress repeals DADT and legislates that you can't discharge a homosexual service member, it will be a problem for you if you try to do so. It would be the exact same problem if LTC Lakin had never even been heard of. The problem is simple--if Congress makes it legal to be a homosexual in the military, its power to do so flows from the Constitution and is binding upon the military. So again, what do you propose the army should do?
How is the army to preclude open homosexuals serving when it is mandated to do so? How is the army to avoid legal ramifications if you try to discharge a serving homosexual when there is no longer a legal basis to do so? You're the one blustering about it, and I can see no option other than openly illegal defiance that does constitute rebellion against Constitutionally defined authority. So again, what is the army supposed to do if Congress repeals DADT?
You don’t get standing as a result of incurring punishment for your own behavior. Sorry. Orly already tried that argument, and it was a pathetic spectacle.
He gets the same appeal rights for his case as anyone else in that situation.
“How is the army to preclude open homosexuals serving when it is mandated to do so? How is the army to avoid legal ramifications if you try to discharge a serving homosexual when there is no longer a legal basis to do so? You’re the one blustering about it, and I can see no option other than openly illegal defiance that does constitute rebellion against Constitutionally defined authority. So again, what is the army supposed to do if Congress repeals DADT?”
By time until a more conservative congress and POTUS are in place. Get the truth out to the public about what is happening as events unfold and abuses occur; and they will. Get the public to wake up. Basically do a retrograde operation to inflict damage on the left until the offensive can be reassumed and any ridiculous “laws” overturned by more sensible leaders.
Never retreat...retrograde until the offense can be restarted. Will this happen...probably not. Too many persons like Lind holding commissions. Too many Admirals/Generals like Mullin in key positions.
Ø If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
So win elections. Sure. That always beats pointless court cases never going anywhere in the first place.
But until that happens, the army will be under a legal obligation it has to fulfill (if Congress does repeal DADT). And the people struggling with how to do that aren’t sell outs.
A scenario. If it was ever found that Obama was ineligible for presidential office. I don't know the particulars on how the suit would come about. It could possibly be for 'wrongful dismissal' by the Army without - just cause - because the government operated on a lie. The matter would have to be researched if he could sue with a reasonable chance of success...which would ultimately be decided by a court to proceed with the civil suit, but this would way down the road.
As for the moment, his case is now an automatic appeal to the first level of appellate review.
“And the people struggling with how to do that aren’t sell outs.”
Yes they are, IF, like ADM Mullin they actively embrace it. Like I told you....buy time! Engage in retrograde operations.
Lind is a sell out because she could have allowed LTC Lakin an affirmative defense. She was either a willing or cowardly pawn of corrupt higher echelons. However, we have beaten this issue to death and will never agree on what was proper/ethical/moral (I don’t care about legalese) for the military judge to do.
There are a million ways to delay the onset of DADT until a more conservative congress and POTUS arrive. It will just take some creative actions by senior officers and the lower ranks. The Commandant of the Marines is not a sell out. I’m certain he will conduct retrograde operations to delay and inflict damage on the liberal agenda.
I do know one thing. I don’t want to see anyone sacrifice themselves the way Terry Lakin did. No one should openly fight this....use stealth and politics and the plain truth.
“As for the moment, his case is now an automatic appeal to the first level of appellate review.”
I have lost my confidence in the military justice system to properly protect the rights of the members of the armed services and maintain discipline. The system, in the wrong hands, has become draconian. Dr. Lakin cannot get a fair review.
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