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To: usmcobra

Can I assume that you have been following this issue for a while?

If you have you then know that almost all attempts to get this matter resolved legally (even before the elections) have been stymied by all sorts of legal maneuvering whose sole purpose was to prevent Obama’s eligibility from being examined in a court of law.

With a question of this magnitude, our government has failed to protect the Constitution by allowing such tactics to be used to allow Obama to become president.


The simple truth is that a Grand Jury investigation would have NO legal maneuvering and no question of legal standing.
The “Obama is ineligibile movement” adopted a losing legal strategy from the start and the movement has stuck with that losing strategy in lawsuit after lawsuit for years now.
ANY strong conservative/originalist prosecuting attorney in the nation could investigate Obama and subpoena Obama’s long form birth certificate. The fact that no has speaks volumes. The fact that no well known, nationally recognized conservative constitutional attorney has gone anywhere near an Obama eligibility lawsuit also speaks volumes.

By the way, when John McCain and the Republican National Committee were sued on the grounds that McCain’s birth outside the continental US made him ineligible, McCain’s attorneys and the Republican Party’s attorneys used the exact same legal tactic as Obama’s attorneys used, they filed for dismissal on grounds of lack of standing and they prevailed on those grounds. The New Hampshire Federal District Court lawsuit was “Hollander v McCain and the Republican National Committee.”
When the Republican Governor of Indiana was sued for allowing Obama’s name to be on the Indiana ballot and receive Indiana’s Electoral College votes when Obama’s father was not an American citizen, the Republican Governor of Indiana had the Republican Attorney General of Indiana use the legal tactic of trying to have the lawsuit dismissed on grounds that the plaintiffs had stated a claim that the Court had no remedy for—out of the Court’s jurisdiction. The original trial court judge and then a three judge Appeals Court agreed with Governor Mitch Daniels and his Attorney General and they dismissed the lawsuit. The case was “Ankeney et. al. v The Governor of Indiana.”


671 posted on 12/15/2010 9:40:27 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Did John McCain produce his Birth certificate?

You don’t have to answer that and embarrass yourself, we all know he did, we have seen it.

Obama’s 2007 COLB was produced so that he could run for president, It does not rise to the level of an original document. It is merely a truncated version used for certain situations.

And given the fact that it could have been easily forged and has never been examined in a court of law, it fails the same test as the proof that you expect from LtCol Lakin....

Legal binding proof entered as evidence in a court of law.

Funny how that works isn’t it? The same proof you require from Lakin to prove his allegations is the same proof Obama should be required to submit to prove he is eligible.


683 posted on 12/15/2010 10:09:22 AM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: jamese777
When the Republican Governor of Indiana was sued for allowing Obama’s name to be on the Indiana ballot and receive Indiana’s Electoral College votes when Obama’s father was not an American citizen, the Republican Governor of Indiana had the Republican Attorney General of Indiana use the legal tactic of trying to have the lawsuit dismissed on grounds that the plaintiffs had stated a claim that the Court had no remedy for—out of the Court’s jurisdiction.

In other words a complete lack of testicular fortitude....

688 posted on 12/15/2010 10:25:48 AM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: jamese777

“The original trial court judge and then a three judge Appeals Court agreed with Governor Mitch Daniels and his Attorney General and they dismissed the lawsuit.”
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Yes, but they went further than that. Not only did they affirm the dismissal of the case on jurisdictional grounds, they took the additional step of discussing the merits of the case. That’s when they deflated in no uncertain terms the Vattellite argument that natural born citizens require two citizen parents even for those born in the U.S.

A further appeal was turned down by the Indiana Supreme Court; and the appellants chose not to attempt to take the case to SCOTUS. The deadline has now passed, and the decision stands.


692 posted on 12/15/2010 10:41:09 AM PST by BigGuy22
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