[paladin1_dcs]

Not falling for a trap, I don’t think he actually understands that the Founders were seceeding from England when they rebelled. The Revolution (rebellion) was the vehicle by which our Founders seceeded.

[Non-Sequitur]

Not falling for a trap, I don’t think he actually understands that the Founders were seceeding from England when they rebelled.

OK, if that's how you want to define it then fine. So then that would mean that the Founders won their secession while the Southerners lost theirs.