Posted on 11/17/2010 6:21:28 AM PST by USALiberty
The true warrior spirit of the Lakota is probably best embodied in Chief Crazy Horse who lead his warriors in directly attacking Custer's position. An entire mountain in the South Dakota Black Hills is being carved as a monument to Crazy Horse.
***Well, we can blame THIS one on a white guy. Custer blundered horribly and paid the price.***
If Custer had won this battle and died in his bed in the 1920s would anyone remember it or him?
There are many other battles forgotten or religated to footnotes that no one remembers.
Will you be so sanquine when your local township wants to take your property via eminent domain because a developer can generate more tax revenue for them than you do?
It’s not his fault. He simply doesn’t understand. While we were playing cowboys and indians as children, he was reciting the Muslim call to prayer in Indonesia.
Sitting Bull was not a terrorist. He was a tribal leader who was at war with the federal government in a very different era.
Chief Joseph would have been a much better choice. His words and values rank up there with other great Americans.
Next in the Obama-for-children series, “Anti-colonialism for Children”.
Which IMO is the last thing in the world Crazy Horse would have wanted as a monument.
***William Penn showed that it was possible to live peacefully side-by-side if affairs were conducted fairly.***
Yet even then Indians still raided and killed many in Pennsylvania.
I am thinking of the Pensylvanya School House Massacre where the Indians wiped out a school and all the children in it.
The Quaker legislature refused to supply men and arms to protect the settlers. In one instance the Indian caused murders in Pennsylvania got so bad the citizens took there murdered dead and piled them in the legislative building forcing their Quaker representitives to walk over the dead to conduct their pacificistc business.
I believe that was long after Penn’s passing.
If you are referring to the US government initiation of the Trail of Tears you are correct. If you are referring to the civilian population you are incorrect.
Intermarriage with the Cherokee in the South is why my family went from blond to dark hair in a single generation. MANY old southern families have Cherokee, Choctaw or Chickasaw ancestors. You will also find a surprising number of tribes still intact in the South - Seminole, Houma, Coushatta, Choctaw, Cherokee etc. Exceptions can always be found, but there is a distinct difference in how whites and Indians interacted in Canada and the southern US, on one hand, and the northern US, on the other.
A picture is worth a thousand words:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:American_progress.JPG
Being conquered and then conquering your conqueror's happens all the time in World History..
IF YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH!!!
Righto, except for the southern slaveowning Tennessean president Jackson, who ignored a Supreme Court decision favoring the Cherokees. And, of course, for the Georgia state legislature and militia, which created the mess in the first place by unilaterally ignoring federal treaties.
You seriously think the impetus to expel the Cherokee and other southern tribes came from northerners, not the southern people who actually wanted their land?
BTW, Cherokees had their own civil war during ours. Units fought for both sides.
The true warrior spirit of the Lakota is probably best embodied in Chief Crazy Horse who lead his warriors in directly attacking Custer’s position. An entire mountain in the South Dakota Black Hills is being carved as a monument to Crazy Horse.
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A magnificent sculpture of a magnificent man.
I do agree the Cherokees and other Indians did integrate into society far better in the South than elsewhere - however, the end result was the same - whites wanted Cherokee land and they found a way to take it.
Custer made his mistakes. So did any number of others, including numerous members of his command. But it's arguable that what's sometimes called the "Centennial Campaign of 1876" was doomed to fail from the beginning. And by that I mean right back to the Administration's decision in December, 1875 that all off-reservation Indians had until January 31st to return to their reservations.
When playing the blame game, we should be sure we're all inclusive...
Yeah, they really avenged the Kelo taking, didn't they?
You are quiet gifted in area of wild speculation when it comes to my friends and 'culture'. I did not 'assail' antiquarian books, I was just pointing out that they shouldn't be relied upon as a soul source of historical perspective.
I believe my American forefathers and what they wrote, because they were men and women of great integrity. Lying was not a family value as it is today.... Christians knew that lies were subject to God's punishment.
You have a very simplistic view of that history coupled with an over abundance of self righteousness.
It was Christianity, in fact, that contained men's bloody instincts and allowed the savage, barbaric Indians to live peacefully on sprawling reservations.
You really need to do some serious study in this area if you think the reservation life was (and is today) an effective expression of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Here's a little example of YOUR culture. Are these the good Christian men to whom you allude?
On November 29, 1864, Colorado Volunteers attacked a peaceful Cheyenne and Arapaho village camped on Sand Creek in southeastern Colorado. Under orders to take no prisoners, the militia killed and mutilated about 200 of the Indians, two-thirds of whom were women and children,[26] taking scalps and other grisly trophies of battle.[27] The Indians at Sand Creek had been assured by the U.S. Government that they would be safe in the territory they were occupying, but anti-Indian sentiments by white settlers were running high.
“It got their own people killed, often in the same way.”
“I think you are confusing cause and effect. Often times it was the soldiers and settlers who started the cycle of violence.”
Actually there was peace on the plains, in the winter. then Indians would come in and make peace, live off government rations along with their buffalo meat.
Then in the spring when the grass got tall enough to support a war pony the tribes would jump the reservation and go on their yearly killing sprees. This was noted by Lt Ware’s experiences in his book THE INDIAN WARS OF 1864.
The Sand Creek Massacre happened when one of these hostile tribes wnet on their yearly war raids, then came in to make peace for the winter.
When Chivington attacked and destroyed the camp there was found amogst the belongings to the indians...”Scalps of white men and children so fresh they had not been tanned”, and “a blanket fringed with the scalps of white women”.
When Custer followed the trail of a war party it led right to the same tribe at the Washita, amongst the belongings found there were several murdered captive white children and items taken in the last war raid by these “peaceful” indians.
There were many tribes we never had a war with. Pawnees, Poncas, Otoes, Crow, ect. All tribes that were hostile to the US were also hostile to these tribes who fled to the US army for protection.
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