Posted on 10/10/2010 4:35:29 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
But also for the record, the ancient rabbis--who I'll wager are far more particular in their keeping of the Torah than you--have also taught for over two thousand years that the principle of love sums up the whole of the Torah (see my posts #332 and 341 above).
No sale. Peddle your slander elsewhere.
Why should I be interested in what any false religion teaches?
And as to a "rational discussion," how can a rational discussion be possible with someone whose religious beliefs aren't based on anything at all but his beliefs and feelings?
>>>>, P-Marlowe: Gee, which translation are you using?
John 8:4
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:1111 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
KJV
John 4:16-1816 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
KJV
You reject the clear meaning of Rom 13:9 and 10. All I've done is quote it, and you come up with something about persversion.
Totally weird, dude.
And your whole Jesus outranks Paul thing is also weird. That's the kind of liberal logic I've had to deal with for decades.
Those folks of your ilk have trouble "rightly dividing the word of truth." Matthew outranks Romans....that is so...LIBERAL!
If Moses' had refused to articulate the requisite sacrifice of lambs and painting of lamb's blood on door posts - would human "love" have prevented the angel of death from doing His business?And why bother, afterwards, with that whole Ten Commandments thing - not once, but TWICE?Ex 32:7-87 Then the Lord said to Moses, "Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. 8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, 'These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.'
NIV"Love" certainly is a recurrent theme in The Word, especially the apostate "love" that earned the Children of Israel more than one trip in to slavery and the wilderness.1 Kings 14:15
15 And the Lord will strike Israel, so that it will be like a reed swaying in the water. He will uproot Israel from this good land that he gave to their forefathers and scatter them beyond the River, because they provoked the Lord to anger by making Asherah poles.
NIV
Isa 28:13
13 So then, the word of the Lord to them will become:
Do and do, do and do,
rule on rule, rule on rule;
a little here, a little there —
so that they will go and fall backward,
be injured and snared and captured.
NIV
FALLIBLE AND UNINSPIRED men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained FALSE RELIGIONS over the greatest part of the world, and through all time....--Thomas Jefferson
Rom 1:27
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
NIV
Matt 5:17-19
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
NIV
Romans 13 to Romans 1, huh.
So...Romans 13 doesn’t exist because Romans 1 does???
Many practicing endocrinologists do not study the extremely new science of maternal environmental influence on the developing fetus.
They also do not study the environmental effects of plastics and toxins in our water, air, and soil on animals.
The combination of the two is where we will eventually learn how sexual differences come to be. Old science is obviously not enough.
1. Arguing from the future is worse than feeble; it is dishonest.
2. There are countless thousands of former - no longer - gave it up - became normal - homosexuals.
End. Of. Story.
>>So...Romans 13 doesn’t exist because Romans 1 does???
Nope. An individual who claims to be manifesting the love of God articulated in Romans 13:10 - and that they are manifesting that alleged "love" of God while engaging in behavior described by Romans 1:27 as “perversion” - is a Liar. THAT is logical.
Rom 1:27
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
NIV
It does NOT say, “Men committed indecent acts with other men, and (except for those who committed indecent acts in “Love”) received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
Hm. Actually, Paladino never said this.
It was in his script, but he didn’t actually say, “There is nothing to be proud of in being a dysfunctional homosexual.”
People are born with disabilities, and they can develop them after birth as well.
People can be born with a proclivity toward same-sex attraction, and they can develop same-sex attractions after birth as well.
Just as people can be treated for a physical or mental disability, people can be treated for their skewed sexual orientation. And just as people can receiving healing for physical and mental disabilities, people can receive healing in the area of sexual orientation.
Everyone is tempted, in one way or the other. Those who experience SSA are temped sexually, just as most of us are tempted sexually.
>>people can be treated for their skewed sexual orientation.
OR they can be exploited for political effect - and THAT is a choice.
You've made many mistakes on this thread.
Does Jesus, in either case, tell the women their adultery is acceptable as long as it's done in "love" ? No, He does not.
Has anyone on this thread made that argument?
Who is John Galt?
Are all your insults that craftily worded? ... It’s as if you went to some expense to fashion that insult just for me! Do you feel superior now?
That was, as it were, the pre-salvation and therefore pre-Torah, experience. The act of putting lamb's blood on the doorposts was a way of acting out the trust that the Israelites were learning to put into our God. That God provided protection and deliverance in the blood of the Lamb was His act of love--which must, of course, come before we can learn to love Him.
And why bother, afterwards, with that whole Ten Commandments thing - not once, but TWICE?
The first four commandments tell us specifically how to go about loving the Holy One: Remembering that He delivered us, having no other gods besides Him, upholding His Name, and keeping His Sabbaths. The last five tell us how to go about loving our neighbor, "for love does no harm to another" (Rom. 13:10). The fifth commandment bridges the two, for by honoring our early father and mother we also honor the Heavenly Father who set them over us.
Every other commandment of the Torah can be derived out of the Ten, the Ten can be derived from the Two, and the Two ultimately come out of the one: "Love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your might": We are to love our neighbor as ourselves because he too is in the image of God.
Of course, if you understood anything at all about Scripture and our obligations to the One we love and those made in His image, you would not have violated the commandments to love and against slander by slandering xzins.
>>You’ve made many mistakes on this thread.
Yawn. That’s all the you’ve got to contribute?
I'll take the rabbis, who at least believe in Divine Inspiration, over Jefferson--or you--anytime.
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