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The End of the Tunnel (Krugman still doesn't get it)
NY Times ^ | Oct 7, 2010 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 10/08/2010 10:31:26 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus

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To: Lazamataz

krug is a full blown commie.

LLS


21 posted on 10/08/2010 11:22:29 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Retired Greyhound

There was about $20 billion of infrastructure “shovel-ready” projects in the porkulus bill, and this was the only money for projects the R’s weren’t opposed to. EVERYTHING ELSE was completely wasted.

$20 billion for infrastructure is like pissing on a forest fire to try to put it out.


22 posted on 10/08/2010 11:25:58 AM PDT by Newtoidaho (Liberals are drooling buffoons backed by satanic goons.)
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To: Titus-Maximus
While I wanted the tunnel to be built, it is a wasteful boondoggle. Actually its worse than that, I actually researched it last night. All along I assumed they were adding two more tunnels to PennStation.
Ha, was I wrong. Its a new deep tunnel that starts in NJ west of the old tunnel, goes south than north to a brand new station a block north of PennStatoion and 150 feet deeper. It cant connect to Grand Central ( the Holy Grail of a new tunnel ) because water tunnel#1 is in the way. Nor doea it connect to any other line so Amtrack cant use ti to go north . what a joke.
23 posted on 10/08/2010 11:35:05 AM PDT by moopie1
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To: muawiyah

Maybe it’s easier than that:

“So this was a terrible, shortsighted move from New Jersey’s point of view.” ( maybe from NYC point of view)—

“Add in the fact that many residents work in New York,” (lots of wage tax loss if NJ stops being thought of as a bedroom community and people have jobs there as well as sleep there.)

“News reports suggest that his immediate goal was to shift funds to local road projects and existing rail repairs.” (all the better for residents of NJ to get around NJ, spending their money there rather than NYC)


24 posted on 10/08/2010 11:35:31 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: moopie1
Nor doea it connect to any other line so Amtrack cant use ti to go north

The tunnel was never intended for either Amtrak or the Long Island Railroad. It was a stub-end tunnel and station intended exclusively for New Jersey Transit.

The idea was to get NJT out of the existing tunnels to provide more capacity for Amtrak and lessen the congestion at the existing Penn Station.

25 posted on 10/08/2010 11:40:42 AM PDT by Publius (I can see Uranus through my window tonight.)
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To: gusopol3

Good point. If New York wants its workers to live elsewhere and somehow get into Manhattan and Brooklyn every day they should do something about that with their own money.


26 posted on 10/08/2010 11:41:53 AM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: Lazamataz

Krugman is a disgrace. Krugman fits the description of jackass, just like Obama.


27 posted on 10/08/2010 11:43:23 AM PDT by mulligan
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To: Publius

kinda expensive for a stub end tunnel?


28 posted on 10/08/2010 12:10:52 PM PDT by moopie1
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To: Lazamataz
I wonder if Krugman really understands how many public works projects were completed during the New Deal era: basically by *volunteers* (often limited to those whose families were already on welfare) who, in return for their manual labor, were given "three hots and a flop" (three meals and a place to sleep) and very small wages -- some of which was required to go back to their family if their family was on welfare.

Mr. Krugman, would this work today? How much would this labor have cost, in today's dollars, if instead of three hots and a flop and a small wage, workers were required to be employeed, say, at union rates and with full benefits, including Obamacare?

And would the young people on welfare, or whose families are on welfare, even consider doing manual labor for a comparable compensation?

The Civilian Conservation Corps, for example:

The typical enrollee was a U.S. citizen, unmarried, unemployed male, 18–20 years of age. Normally the family was on local relief. Each enrollee volunteered, and upon passing a physical exam and/or a period of conditioning, was required to serve a minimum six month period with the option to serve as many as four periods, or up to two years if employment outside the Corps was not possible. Enrollees worked 40 hours a week over five days, sometimes including Saturdays if poor weather dictated. In return he received $30 a month with a compulsory allotment $22–25 sent to a family dependent, as well as food, clothing and medical care.[12]

29 posted on 10/08/2010 12:10:52 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: Cheesehead in Texas

YES.

Mexico is building a border fence on its southern border to keep illegals from coming in through Guatemala. We should be able to manage a fence on our border as well.


30 posted on 10/08/2010 12:12:32 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: moopie1

Urban infrastructure projects are always expensive. It’s been 110 years since an infrastructure project in New York was reasonably priced.


31 posted on 10/08/2010 12:12:52 PM PDT by Publius (I can see Uranus through my window tonight.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Anything Kroogie says is Shovel Ready.


32 posted on 10/08/2010 12:13:49 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: fightinJAG

-and a jump to the head of the line for military enlistment.


33 posted on 10/08/2010 12:15:16 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: muawiyah
We need the giant Chinese straddling bus!

Seems to me this could be adapted very well for taking people from NJ into the city and back.

Straddlebus

China Hush video here

34 posted on 10/08/2010 12:18:21 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: moopie1
Since you're in Jersey, please tell your Governor that he should check out these Chinese straddle buses, as Jersey is looking to repurpose some of that $3B transportation funding.

Put some of these on the roads and it would be like adding train lines. Plus it would make Jersey look cool.

35 posted on 10/08/2010 12:25:52 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: Publius

when it comes to wasteful gov. spending, at least projects like this have benefits, but instead of two new lines to the refurbished PennStation in the Farley building that could be used to connect to Grand Central Terminal , the Lirr, Amtrak or future high speed rail, two lines to a new , huge terminus that can only be used for NJT is a joke.
And I say this as an unapologetic railfan


36 posted on 10/08/2010 1:55:02 PM PDT by moopie1
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...two lines to a new , huge terminus that can only be used for NJT is a joke.

Concur.

37 posted on 10/08/2010 1:58:04 PM PDT by Publius (I can see Uranus through my window tonight.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Does anybody believe for half a second that the unions would let civilians do the work?

All of the projects named would be union jobs. Every last one of them.

Why hire 100 unemployed Americans when that same money will hire 8 union thugs who will do half the work much more slowly?

And we all know how Obambi just LOVES his union thugs!

Bottom line — ain’t happenin’ but thanks for asking.


38 posted on 10/08/2010 6:59:59 PM PDT by DNME (With the sound of distant drums ... something wicked this way comes.)
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