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To: Mr Rogers; ClearCase_guy; S.O.S121.500; Blennos; Tijeras_Slim; DCBryan1; Abathar; Washi; ...
The smell of ‘lynch the pigs’ is growing stronger at FR. Sheesh ...

I have a theory on this phenomena; the recent sharp changes in attitude toward police is the result of several factors:

  1. In many places the police motto/purpose is "to serve and protect" yet there is NO LEGAL OBLIGATION for the police to protect any particular individual OR any particular group of individuals. {Consider Columbine, Virgina Tech, etc where the police pretty much waited for the shooters to kill themselves before making any move thereon.}
  2. In contrast to the supposed role of the police as "law enforcement" the officers do not enforce the laws uniformly; and may even pick-and-choose which laws they will enforce.
    {This means that the likelihood of being arrested/cited/ignored for something illegal can be VERY dependent on the officer's personal biases.}
  3. Police officers act as though [many/most] laws do not apply to them.
  4. Police officers enjoy that they are given *many* exceptions to the restrictions legally imposed on other citizens; consider all the places an officer may carry where another Citizen is prohibited.
  5. Many police officers have a poor understanding of the law; consider the recent stories of Citizens exercising open-carry under their State's Constitution who are harassed by the police.
    {The guy arrested for open-carrying on his own property springs to mind.}
  6. Many police officers fail to recognize the scope of laws... that is: does a city/county law that is contrary to a State's Constitution cannot be [logically] valid.
  7. The proliferation of felonies and "stupid laws" reduce 'criminal' to a no-meaning word because the act of just [trying to earn a] living has become regulated. {You can be a felon for possessing a lobster.}
  8. The police themselves do not challenge the constitutionality of the laws they are to enforce; ...consider that New Mexico (whose State Constitution prohibits laws abridging the Right to Keep and Bear Arms for defense) also has a law prohibiting firearms on university campuses. {That prohibition keeps students living in on-campus housing from both keeping and bearing arms.}
    This sort of legal contradiction is not uncommon and, for intents and purposes, [IMO] serves only to strip Citizens of their rights.
  9. The inaction of police regarding such conundrums as in #8 should be disturbing in itself; the enforcement of the lesser laws is nothing less than the police usurping power from you, the Citizen.

So, given the above, why should these "law enforcement" officers be given any leeway? Consider that they are actively enforcing laws which are themselves illegal.
298 posted on 09/24/2010 2:28:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You do realize that your argument could as easily apply to Congress, I hope.


304 posted on 09/24/2010 2:35:59 PM PDT by Ingtar (If Washington and his peers had been RINOs, we would still be a British colony.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Thank you, and if you need to escape such same persecution;

"I move for a motion to dismiss in anticipation of subrosa subject matter jurisdictional discrepancy".

Like celibacy, it works every time it's tried!

306 posted on 09/24/2010 2:37:44 PM PDT by yesca (..belief is the enemy)
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To: OneWingedShark

Those responsible for making, executing, judging or enforcing the law MUST be held to a higher standard, and not a lesser one, as their apologists would prefer. They are not nobles, nor does treating them as such serve any valid public purpose.


307 posted on 09/24/2010 2:37:46 PM PDT by sourcery (Don't call them "liberals" or "progressives." The honest label is extreme anti-Constitutionalists!)
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To: OneWingedShark
Good post! I'm seeing a perpetual motion machine that is making itself larger every year, under the guise of "protecting the public".

It's hard to fault the individual officers, since they're only the cogs. Some of the cogs could note, however, that retiring at 100 grand a year, guaranteed by the state, is almost too good to be true...

314 posted on 09/24/2010 2:52:52 PM PDT by kiryandil
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To: OneWingedShark

Both of my brothers were cops, one a detective, both in major cities, so besides family I know many cops. There are good ones out there but there are lots of bad ones as well. Advice from both....beware.

BTW, both of my brothers are Oath Keepers.


316 posted on 09/24/2010 2:53:52 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: OneWingedShark
well SharkSir, I believe that utter hypocrisy annoys alot of people, and where cops are concerned, the 'do as i say, not as i do' mentality is increasing exponentially...

I admit that ive been no saint in days gone by, but that doesnt change the fact that the vast majority of the encounters with leo over the years have been negative 'us vs them ' at the best, and downright hostile and in yer face on many occassions...

#3 is prolly the one that sticks me the most, and as another posted, the suit wearing critters up the food chain from the uniforms think theyre above the law as well...

this attitude breaks the notion of the 'good' cops being out there on the front lines, as if they are truly 'doin me a favor' for knockin 5 mph off a ticket that their wife or themselves wouldnt get in the first place...if theyre dishonest to their 'oath', how can they be expexted to police their own, much less respect those of us who are considered 'them'...???

ever been in rush hour traffic and have a marked car bearing down on yer bumper for literally miles ??? what do ya do, speed up, 'force' yer way to another lane etc...then when ya get outta his way, leaves ya in the dust...

I had traffic school instructor reply 'whos gonna give em a ticket' ??? the arrogance is mind-boggling...

i believe, for myself anyways, that in most cases turnabout is fair play...guilty until proven innocent, youre known by the company ya keep, etc etc etc...

365 posted on 09/24/2010 5:26:02 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: OneWingedShark

When people are given the authority to stop, question, arrest and kill as part of their job they had better be responsible, courageous, judicious, sober and possess a very high degree of self control and cognitive and analytical ability. No doubt this is very hard to attain and seems “unfair” as it means that a very high standard of conduct is expected. But with great authority comes great responsibility. If people aren’t up to it they should be employed elsewhere.

There are too many stories of people that we, the people, vest with the power of life and death exercising poor judgement, exhibiting corruption and acting as if they are members of a group apart and thus in an “us against them” relationship with those they are charged to “serve and protect”. People who exhibit such characteristics should not be in a position that gives them the power to coerce and kill.

I was taught that if I ever needed help I could always approach a policeman. My parents gave me that. And I still largely believe it. But incidents where citizens are beaten because some cop was offended or because the cop decided the citizen needed a “tune up” or where citizens are shot down in a hail of gunfire under circumstances that indicate the cop(s) seemed to act in panic have undermined this belief. And if the cops don’t like that fact then all I can say is that YOU chose your profession and YOU took an oath to protect and serve or otherwise act to defend the law and the law abiding. If you find you are unable to actually act as a hero, which is what a real policman IS, then get another job.

I believe that good cops, the real heroes, cringe inside when they hear of stories like the one discussed on these threads. Or at least they would if they still hold to any sense of duty to the public trust and have a sense of just how honorable and good a man in their position should be and act.


388 posted on 09/24/2010 8:35:08 PM PDT by scory
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To: OneWingedShark

I will address the issues that you have brought up a bit later as I am agreement with many of them.

Good replie.


406 posted on 09/25/2010 6:59:48 AM PDT by texmexis best
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