Officer in Costco shooting says man raised gun, didn’t know it was in holster

Never give a LEOs a reason to shoot.
You need to de-escalate the situation.
You need to manage the situation.

STOP

VERY SLOWLY RAISE YOUR HANDS

DE-ESCALATE THE SITUATION.

THEN IDENTIFY THE LOCATION OF YOUR CARRY WEAPON.

ALLOW AN OFFICER TO RETRIEVE THE CARRY WEAPON.

Thanks for the information. I listened to it and the sound is poor - that can be cleaned up to get a good transcript.

This presents a two-part problem. It does sound as if the Costco employee does assert in several places the Scott is “behaving erratically” and “throwing stuff around”, etc. That would partly explain why the cops with the tactical approach they did.

Unfortunately, the video which would have confirmed his assertions is missing, so it’s not certain if Mr. Lierly’s descriptions were accurate and objective, or if he perhaps overstated things. It is both unfortunate and convenient that the evidence which could help settle these questions is unavailable.

It is also interesting to note the absence in the inquest of the many witnesses from the initial, fresh reports on this incident, whose accounts didn’t agree with those of the cops or the witnesses who are being featured.

I think Goodman may be giving them enough rope to hang themselves.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/13212835/scott-girlfriend-a-no-show-at-coroners-inquest

There's a long comment by SummerlinCC (9th one down) about Goodman. He says that Goodman told the LVRJ that he's waiting for a forum where Goodman and prosecutors can cross-examine all of the witnesses - NOT this "inquest". He's going to let these witnesses run off at the mouth in their little "safety box", and keep HIS witnesses quiet for the REAL game.

I agree.

Maybe he IS Horiuchi.

Just a thought.

Witnesses say a lot of things, and this type of holster could be mistaken for a gun rug - something Scott certainly was NOT carrying.

In another article, it mentioned that a witness was shown a picture of Scott’s gun on the ground outside the Costco, so I don’t think that is Scott’s “alleged” gun. I’m pretty sure it is Scott’s gun lying on the ground outside of Costco, and the description I read elsewhere of it being an “Uncle Mike’s” holster fits.

I think the police screwed this up big time, but I don’t think they hid and then threw away the gun Scott really pulled and substituted another gun.

When people are given the authority to stop, question, arrest and kill as part of their job they had better be responsible, courageous, judicious, sober and possess a very high degree of self control and cognitive and analytical ability. No doubt this is very hard to attain and seems “unfair” as it means that a very high standard of conduct is expected. But with great authority comes great responsibility. If people aren’t up to it they should be employed elsewhere.

There are too many stories of people that we, the people, vest with the power of life and death exercising poor judgement, exhibiting corruption and acting as if they are members of a group apart and thus in an “us against them” relationship with those they are charged to “serve and protect”. People who exhibit such characteristics should not be in a position that gives them the power to coerce and kill.

I was taught that if I ever needed help I could always approach a policeman. My parents gave me that. And I still largely believe it. But incidents where citizens are beaten because some cop was offended or because the cop decided the citizen needed a “tune up” or where citizens are shot down in a hail of gunfire under circumstances that indicate the cop(s) seemed to act in panic have undermined this belief. And if the cops don’t like that fact then all I can say is that YOU chose your profession and YOU took an oath to protect and serve or otherwise act to defend the law and the law abiding. If you find you are unable to actually act as a hero, which is what a real policman IS, then get another job.

I believe that good cops, the real heroes, cringe inside when they hear of stories like the one discussed on these threads. Or at least they would if they still hold to any sense of duty to the public trust and have a sense of just how honorable and good a man in their position should be and act.

Maybe he IS Horiuchi. Just a thought.

LOL! Guy claims he's been on Free Republic since 1998, and he's never heard of Lon Horiuchi.

Riiiiiiight...

I believe that good cops, the real heroes, cringe inside when they hear of stories like the one discussed on these threads. Or at least they would if they still hold to any sense of duty to the public trust and have a sense of just how honorable and good a man in their position should be and act.

I think I understand your sentiments here; I can honestly say that I hope most police officers would cringe [at this sort of story/situation], but on the other hand I'm somewhat of a cynic and don't believe that many have such a developed sense of either Justice or Honor to cause that cringe.

Far too many people will excuse police action (especially if it starts legitimately); far too many people weekly acquiesce to any pretense of authority (as opposed to standing with manly firmness holding to the Righteousness of Justice). As an example:
     I live in New Mexico, an open-carry state. I was once exercising that right at a social gathering where I apparently "made some people nervous" and one leader, a man whom I respect, asked me to put it in my car: I acquiesced, believing that the entire situation had been resolved [this was a Wednesday night].
     Not so, though; several of the leaders of this social gathering had a meeting about me [I was not present] and they called my National Guard unit [I was enlisted at the time]. No apparently this story made its way through the rumor-mills of my old unit and then someone called the police telling them that I was "at my house" and "waving a gun around." I assume this call was made on the Friday, because that's when the police showed up at my place, weapons drawn.
     I happened to be away at this time, which in hindsight is probably a very good thing. Anyway the police came onto the residence's property (I live in an apartment) and were looking in a van with tinted windows when that vehicle's owner [and incidentally the landlady] asked why they were there and what they were doing. The officer's only reply was to ask if I lived there and to tell the lady to "get in the house."
     She said that I did live there but that I wasn't present at the time, and again she asked the officer for identification which he refused to supply. Now at this point you must realize that this officer is on very shaky legal ground; as I understand it an officer in execution of his duties must supply [adequate] identification such as Driver's license and badge number. It is also good to consider that there was no warrant issued at all regarding this incident.
     The landlady's husband forbade her from filing a complaint regarding the officer's actions; IMO precisely because of the circular-reasoning that: authorities must be obeyed because they are authorities and no-one who is unsuitable for an authority position would be given a position of authority so their merely holding a position-of-authority is proof of both their adequacy and the validity of that authority.
(i.e. one of those Christians who thinks that "render unto Cesar that which is Caesar's" means that any defiance or disagreement over what Cesar claims to be Caesar's is unchristian... despite that Jesus also said "Render unto God that which is God's" and there exists the distinct possibility that Caesar may try to claim that which is God's: like in Daniel.)

I just got done listening to the girlfriend's Metro interview over at LVJR, and she OBVIOUSLY doesn't know anything about guns. Rough quote: "He [Erik] was getting the gun by the front end, not the part you grab...". It's near the end of the interview, at about 22 minutes (of 24), and there's a readable transcription.

Maybe the Stay-Puft DonutRoidBoy was afeared that Erik was going to beat him to death with the gun butt...

Samantha kept saying at the end of the interview that DonutRoidBoy was VERY aggressive, and that she thought Erik would have been shot even if he had followed the [multiple] commands and gotten down on the ground. They couldn't bag the interview fast enough after that...

She entered a taped testimony.

You might want to listen to the interview. I believe she said Erik went down with the gun still on him.

Google erik scott girlfriend statement - it's an LVRJ story, so I'll not link or post it.

Contrary to other opinions about “taped testimony”, she was interviewed by Metro 2 hours after the murder. This is where the audio came from.

Thank you.

I’ve known men that were gunned-down in the line of duty in standoffs that started like this. It is unwise for cops to underestimate the threat posed by an armed, apparently drugged, individual that was erratic enough to have the cops called on him.

Well, they had a half hour to get 'set up' in the parking lot. They had plenty of armed firepower.

They should have had him put his hands above his head, then handcuffed him. They could have tackled him, and handcuffed him. Where does 'underestimate' include shoot first, then see if he's really armed later?

The gun was in a zippered pouch. Did Mr. Scott point the zippered pouch at the officer? How can you fire a gun that is in a zippered pouch?

It is simply STUPID to say he had lethal levels of drugs in his system.

It shows how far the Police Department and Costco is willing to go to justify the shooting.