Posted on 09/19/2010 12:54:50 AM PDT by Stoat
All things are possible through God, which means that homosexuals can and do STOP being homosexuals.
Is this effing serious?
Well, you said that God doesn’t make abnormal people, so, since I believe that some people are born that way, then they must be normal. It certainly is unnatural to me.
Do you believe that God knows the future and what we will do, even before we are born?
Good for those that do. I’m sure their lives are easier after they stop.
Homosexuality is a behavior. God does not control behavior nor create it. God also did not create sin. Man did. And man blames God for it ever since.
That doesn't mean that we can't change it. Accepting sin is an act of will. We can also change things. ......if we want to.
If God knows what we will do, then He knows if we will change or not, right?
If God cannot be wrong, then what He knows will happen, will happen, right?
God is not constrained by time so he sees what will be unless man exercises his free will and changes things. God cannot and does not force mankind to do anything. Prayer can change things. Did God see that someone would pray? Yes. Because time means nothing to Him.
If God cannot be wrong, then what He knows will happen, will happen, right?
I know you think you're being clever but it won't work. God may see what choices that we make but they are still OUR choices. God seeing our lives from the beginning to the end does NOT mean that he orchestrated our choices or our sin.
Being not constrained by time, then I agree, He sees what will be. Why then wouldn’t He see what the free will choice of a man and those changes will be also?
No, He doesn’t orchestrate our choices, He just knows what they will be...and still creates those people knowing that they will do bad things along with creating those people that will do good things, and all in between, right?
Homosexuality is a behavior and cannot be blamed on God. Just as He did not make anyone a liar nor a thief nor a cheat. We choose behaviors.
Wrong again. Not all choices are acceptable to God.
Even Christ was tempted in the wilderness, and He chose to remain faithful to God’s Plan by being obedient to the Father in the Son’s humanity.
A very real temptation and decision were made attributable to the Son of Man.
There are many tests in life, where the decision is up to the volition of the person being tested. Those who persevere today through faith in Christ have rewards awaiting them at the bema seat.
True, and He created people, knowing that they will sin. If God cannot be wrong, how can anything happen differently? Why create someone that He knows will choose to be a homosexual?
Incapable of being wrong, if God knows mr. x will commit a homosexual act on jan 1, 2025, how would it be possible for mr.x to NOT commit that act?
If Go knows someone is going to make a choice that is unnacceptable to Him, and God cannot be wrong, then that choice will be made, won’t it?
Why create someone that will do something you think is unnacceptable? Perhapss, what we think of as unacceptable, aren’t really unacceptable to God, otherwise, why create that person?
He also gave man a method to be saved. Either they choose Jesus or they don't. Either a child chooses obedience or they don't.
If God cannot be wrong, how can anything happen differently? Why create someone that He knows will choose to be a homosexual?
Why do parents have children knowing the awful things that can happen?
Incapable of being wrong, if God knows mr. x will commit a homosexual act on jan 1, 2025, how would it be possible for mr.x to NOT commit that act?
Mr X chooses to sin. God didn't make the choice for him just because he sees it's going to happen.
You want to blame God for mans sinful nature but it isn't God that chose disobedience, man did. And man has been blaming everyone else for his sin since. Not taking responsibility for ones choices is also a sin. Blaming God for those same choices is stupid.
If Mom says no cookies before dinner and the kid takes one anyway is Mom responsible for it because she said "No"?
Female breasts did it for me, too. Kandy where are you now?
If you remind me, Muslim Culture probably borrowed a great deal of the pederastry from the Greeks. The Middle East was, after all, responsible for transcribing a great deal of ancient Greek literature down during the Mideval Time Periods.
In History, Sparta and Athens were the most notorious of the city states for male supremacy and pederastry combined. Not to say that the other Greek city-states weren’t that way, but these two have the most obvious references to it in their historical records. In Sparta, there was an extensive degree to which pederastry was played out. It was the key relationship of male lovers through which a man instructed a boy in the military service. Athens was a similar way, except this was primarily for the nobility to instruct in philosophy and the arts.
Seeing the way the Greeks were toward women, I would not be surprised if the case with Muslims were a similar one, however, it is also notorious that Muslims are harsh in numerous cases (tens of thousands) in putting open, blatant homosexuals to death (i.e. those similar to gay pride here in America and Europe) through brutal and harsh methods. The Koran itself prescribes death by stoning in public for homosexuals caught in the act by sufficient witnesses.
God is a clever calculator, he knows our potential, as well as what we are likely to do. However, as clever and knowledgeable as he is, he allows us to mess up, or else we would not truly be able to learn the virtues neccessary to be worthy to enter the heavens, or even be judged by him in the end.
Tens of thousands? Never read anything like that.
Moslem “culture” may have been influenced by Greeks but also has the natural roots of barbaric Arab tribal customs. Treatment of women in ancient Greece and Rome does not compare in any way to Muslim treatment of women.
Additionally, the pederasty in much of Middle Eastern Moslem “culture” is pretty open. There have been threads on FR not long ago about the boy dancers in Afghanistan, plus many reports of people who have worked and served there. It’s open. And as nasty as anyone could ever imagine.
The greeks did have a highly inferior view of women. Aristotle is a profound example. He felt and argued that women and men had a different number of teeth in the mouth, he never even bothered testing this theory on his own wife! The Greeks were also viciously in a double-standard of gender. The Greek Olympics, even though some people argued in literature otherwise, were all-male athletic events. In addition, Sparta frequently condoned outright infanticide. Even though it was not explicitly dictated as infanticide against baby girls, the image of the time portrayed the man as fit for the role of fighting wars, and it is implied that this gender prejudice also encouraged making a great number of the unfit babies thrown to die and rot in the gorges and hilltops to be girls. Sparta also had numerous surplus men, which drove it to be incredibly aggressive in it’s military operations. Sparta was, in many ways both known and implied, similar to the way Chinese society has become today.
I understand full well that the Arabian nomads (Bedouins) only believed in infanticide of baby girls as the unfit babies. And desired population control.
There is plenty of sentiment against open homosexuality, unless you can get away with it (i.e. you are rich or shut up some of your former “relations”) Iran is the example which I mentioned. Homosexuals have received public executions in Iran for some time, or at least those charged and convicted with the specific act. The Koran does prescribe death for those caught specifically practicing sodomy, otherwise, other kinds of acts are acceptable.
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