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Fred Thompson Wants Poor Old People to Buy Sleazy, Gov't-Backed Reverse Mortgages
Gawker ^ | August 25, 2010 | Jim Newell

Posted on 08/25/2010 12:55:22 PM PDT by luckybogey

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To: luckybogey

They guy is probably just glad to have a job in Obama’s America.


21 posted on 08/25/2010 1:09:58 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: luckybogey

Sad. If he had been paying attention - he could have been President. I think Dick Wolf screwed him over.


22 posted on 08/25/2010 1:10:23 PM PDT by Frantzie (Imam Ob*m* & Democrats support the VICTORY MOSQUE & TV supports Imam)
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To: luckybogey

I considered a reverse mortgage in 2007 when my house was worth 50% more than it is today. Bad move passing on it back then!


23 posted on 08/25/2010 1:10:32 PM PDT by shove_it (have a nice day)
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To: Jim Scott

The words “Illinois Attorney General” ought to have tipped you off to the political tendentiousness of the article’s premise.


24 posted on 08/25/2010 1:11:11 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: luckybogey

Just why did he have to make those stupid commercials? Can’t any famous conservatives stay above the fray?


25 posted on 08/25/2010 1:11:46 PM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality Now: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: luckybogey

Someone better tell the author of this bilge that the lefty liberal Henry (AKA ‘Fonzie’) Winkler has commercials touting the same thing.....reverse mortgages.


26 posted on 08/25/2010 1:11:50 PM PDT by arbee4bush ( "promoted by GOD to be a mother" Palin 2012!!!!!)
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To: luckybogey

Just why did he have to make those stupid commercials? Can’t any famous conservatives stay above the fray?


27 posted on 08/25/2010 1:11:59 PM PDT by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality Now: Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: luckybogey

I’m having some trouble understanding this. The article says they’re brokers. Is Fred advertising for the brokers of loans, or for lenders? Last time I checked, brokers brokered, they didn’t lend.
And then “114,692 reverse mortgages were made in fiscal year 2009, compared to 157 in 1990, when people had actual money.”
Wasn’t 1990 when reverse mortgages were a new thing? Maybe 19 years later there are a lot more of them because they are something consumers actually want.


28 posted on 08/25/2010 1:12:24 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: TigersEye

I agree with your point and he has the right to make money for his family. However, I feel the commercial is “unbecoming” of a respected statesman for fiscal conservatism and I have lost respect for the man.


29 posted on 08/25/2010 1:13:43 PM PDT by luckybogey
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To: luckybogey

“What do we know about this shady company . . .”

Gawker didn’t do the research, and jumped to a conclusion all in one sentence.

People wonder why nobody buys newspapers. Now these tools run internet based rags. You can’t even GIVE propaganda away.

As for Thompson, I admit having the same strange feeling. There is a MASSIVE demand for RM’s to back securities based on them. These securities are selling like hotcakes.

For me, this market for RM’s is looking bubblish. The point on which these RM’s pivot is the appraisal of the underlying asset - the home.

A veteran in their home for 40 years, that bought for $25,000 (2,500 sf) is probably being offered a LOT less than what they would have 6 years ago to be sure. They are probably being offered less than what the market will bear as well.

Bank sits on fully paid off assets until the market recovers. The veteran makes $175,000 on a $200K RM, but in reality the bank probably makes another $50K to $100K in future equity on the asset. The geezer, they figure, would never realize that in this market. Since the bank will outlive the geezer, the bank vultures the extra 100 kilobucks.

Who loses? The estate, probably. Maybe the kids that have been footing the bills.

Truly, RM’s are EXACTLY like taking candy from babies at this point. Every time the housing market falls, the assets the geezers are sitting on go up in value to the bank.

More than that, the banks making the RM’s are picking up the assets from failed banks MINUS the bad loans, which are being picked up by the taxpayer (the inheritors of geezers estate). The big banks are being turned into absolute monsters right now in all of this. It is ALL UPSIDE for them. Community banks are getting killed.


30 posted on 08/25/2010 1:14:19 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: andy58-in-nh

It’s not a loan. The bank buys back the equity you own in your house and you are free to do with that money whatever you want. For some seniors, especially those who have no need to pass on their property to an heir, it can give them cash for living expenses they otherwise would have to take from accumulated savings.


There is no problem with the Reverse Mortgage on its own....the problem is that Thompson, who was supposed to be a “conservative”, is pushing “Governemnt Backed” R-M’s....Government Backed real estate deals are a big reason why our economy tanked. Thompson is doing nothing more than endorsing Business Socialism

However, Reverse Mortgages cannot be done on homes “underwater”....and many elderly in southern states are very underwater on the homes. Most Florida elderly folks cannot do R-Ms because they are so underwater


31 posted on 08/25/2010 1:14:29 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (JD for Senate ..... jdforsenate.com. You either voting for JD, or voting for the Liberal...)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Where is the ethical conflict in doing those commercials? Frankly I’m more angry that Fred played McCain’s stalking horse in the ‘08 primary.


32 posted on 08/25/2010 1:14:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: luckybogey
However, I feel the commercial is “unbecoming” of a respected statesman for fiscal conservatism and I have lost respect for the man.

Sounds like a perfectly emotional reaction devoid of logic to me. Jealous that he's making some money?

33 posted on 08/25/2010 1:16:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Ok, so they are slowly taking over your home each time you request some money.

This may not be so bad in a robust economy, but I’ve lost about 200,000 in equity over the past 2 years alone without borrowing a dime, and I’m sure it’s the same all over if not worse. The American dream is turning into a nightmare.

When your equity doesn’t grow, then I don’t think this is a good idea, and I guess Thompson needs to pay off campaign debts.


34 posted on 08/25/2010 1:17:13 PM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: luckybogey

“So when all of these old people die and suddenly their kids can’t sell their houses to make up the $1 million they owe on their $400,000 homes, blame Fred Thompson entirely.”

Eh? If a lender is stupid enough to lend $1M on a reverse mtg, is he entitled to sue the heirs of the person who mtgd the place? I mean, if you take a rev mtg on your $400k house, and when you die you’ve somehow managed to squeeze $1M out of the lender, he gets your $400k house, right? What if that’s all you had? Your kids owe him something?


35 posted on 08/25/2010 1:19:16 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: luckybogey

Its been running for a few weeks. Before Fred they had Peter Graves, but he passed away. Before Graves, they had Robert Wagner. Fred must believe in this particular company. I can’t imagine he’d sign on if it was not a good thing for people.


36 posted on 08/25/2010 1:20:30 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: luckybogey
Maybe reverse mortgages are ok for some. I’m not sure! They don’t make a lot of sense to me.

There's nothing inherently wrong with reverse mortgages, and for some people they make a lot of sense. Many people end up retired with little or no income and only one big asset: their house. By then, their house is probably even paid for (or nearly so). A reverse mortgage basically lets them sell the house (or a part interest in it) to the company in exchange for a regular monthly payment, and the right to continue to live in the house for the remainder of their lives.

They get the security of a place to live and a regular dependable income for life. The only people that lose out are their beneficiaries, if any. But hey... it's not their money anyway.

37 posted on 08/25/2010 1:23:25 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Deb
Fred stood against Ray Blanton and the Dixie Mafia in his younger days. I think Fred can do just about what he wants because he took a great risk in his life by uncovering Ray Blanton’s antics.
38 posted on 08/25/2010 1:24:41 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: luckybogey

Stupid old fool ought to get a reverse mortgage and see how he likes it.


39 posted on 08/25/2010 1:25:00 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: RobRoy

Thank you RobRoy, for setting this thread straight.

There is an awful lot of ignorance on this thread.


40 posted on 08/25/2010 1:25:20 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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