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Death to Deserters-Egyptian family that faces a death sentence for conversion to Christianity
Frontpagemagazine ^ | 7-14-10 | Nonie Darwish

Posted on 07/14/2010 4:12:39 AM PDT by SJackson

“God has commanded us to kill those who leave Islam.” These are the words of Islamic scholar Sheikh Youssef Al-Badri, a member of the Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs in Egypt, which were stated on Egyptian television. The interior minister of Egypt agrees with the Sheikh and is quoted in a newspaper saying: “Converts are to be killed.” Islamic scholars and the majority of public opinion in Egypt all agree with them — conversion to Christianity is a mortal sin legally punishable by death.

Such statements are considered by many to be a legal death warrant, allowing the murder of apostates wherever they are. They cause much fear and panic not only to those who leave Islam in Muslim countries, but also to those who leave Islam in the West.

Whereas in the West, religion is considered a matter of personal faith and conviction, being a Muslim is not a personal matter. As you will see from the video below, it is a no-win legal matter with the state. Being a Muslim is not a private relationship with Allah, but a contract with the state in which the citizen must surrender to Islamic law whether he is a Muslim or not.

Three former Muslims are featured in the video: Maher El Gohary and his fourteen year-old daughter, whose original petition to officially practice Christianity in Egypt was rejected; the third is Mohammed Higazy, whose petition to become Christian instead of Muslim was also rejected. Higazy also filed a lawsuit to have the right as a parent to state on his newborn son’s birth certificate that he is Christian, or give him a Christian name. That was also rejected. The statement on his son’s birth certificate declaring that the baby was Muslim, was forced by the government against the parents’ will. All of these former Muslims converted to Christianity years ago, but are still officially Muslims on all their government IDs and passports.

El Gohary’s daughter is forced to attend Islamic classes at her public schools, and because she is officially a Muslim, she can never marry a Christian man. That is the law in a so-called moderate Muslim country like Egypt.

Since their petitions were denied, the three are now back in court trying to gain the right to leave Egypt. All known former Muslims in Egypt are prevented from leaving the country, and some have had their passports confiscated by the government. Former Muslim Naglaa Al-Imam was arrested at the airport as she was about to board a plane. Hers is not the only such case.

El Gohary said, “We must be on the run from this threat. Radical sheikhs have called for our blood to be shed. We are afraid of the uneducated people on the street. Condemnation by the sheikhs can be interpreted as a death order.” Mohammed Higazy affirmed: “The sheikhs have called for me to be killed, … my house has been set on fire; I have been shot at. If they kill us, the government will not punish the murderers.”

This might sound unbelievable to Westerners, and indeed, Islamic advocacy groups in the West count on this incredulity in order to misinform the American public about Islam. They all deny the truth about Sharia, which violates human, religious, and women’s rights that we all take for granted. They intentionally lie in their attempt to calm Western fears of Islam. But the truth cannot be denied that Sharia will not punish any Muslim who kills an apostate. The execution of apostates is delegated to the mob and encouraged by sheikhs, and practiced by many Islamic governments.

That is what former Muslims in the U.S. are afraid of. Just like terrorists who wish to wage jihadist terror against American citizens in order to go to heaven, committed Muslims consider fatwas of death against apostates as a religious duty and Allah’s commandment. That is why those of us who left Islam cannot feel safe even if we live in America and are U.S. citizens. Terrorists are terrorists, whether they want to kill Americans or apostates, and we apostates are targets. To those who claim that former Muslims in America are not living with a death threat, I say: please just watch this video and see how former Muslims are treated.

 

Muslim organizations such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) are deceiving the American public when they claim that Islam does not have a death sentence on former Muslims. Both organizations have refused to sign a pledge mailed to them by Former Muslims United. The pledge stated that they will denounce any law or commandment that condemns apostates to death.  If CAIR and ISNA are to have any credibility, they should demand a retraction from Sheikh Al-Badri, and tell him that his fatwa for killing apostates is wrong and un-Islamic. ISNA and CAIR, who agree privately with the Sheikh, will never defy conventional wisdom in the Muslim world, which is where they derive financial support.


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1 posted on 07/14/2010 4:12:40 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
This might sound unbelievable to Westerners, and indeed, Islamic advocacy groups in the West count on this incredulity in order to misinform the American public about Islam.

Indeed true. When I have educated liberals as to the real nature of Islam in the world I'm accused of being a hate monger...and yet it is the liberals who chose to live in ignorance which leads to the murders of these converts...so it seems to me it is clear who the real haters are.

2 posted on 07/14/2010 4:19:52 AM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to abdicate control of it to the government)
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To: SJackson

Islam, the “religion” of peace. It is peaceful as long as you go along, submit and bow down facing mecca 5 times a day and worship the moon-god allah. Very peaceful.


3 posted on 07/14/2010 4:23:35 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: SJackson

God how I loathe Islam.


4 posted on 07/14/2010 4:25:37 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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An outreach center at Ground Zero won't be enough to get most Americans to accept this ideology.

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5 posted on 07/14/2010 4:25:37 AM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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To: highlander_UW

Some religion , huh???

In most places this would seem insane.

This is what is coming to Europe, to America, a little piece at the time.

This is what is coming to New York at the WTC site.

The freedom to practice religion in a free country should not be allowed if that religion doesnt believe in that principle of law.

This isn’t a religion anyway. Its a death cult.


6 posted on 07/14/2010 4:25:51 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: SJackson

Screw Mohammad, and the winged horse he rode in on.


7 posted on 07/14/2010 4:26:50 AM PDT by agere_contra (Obama did more damage to the Gulf economy in one day than Pemex/Ixtoc did in nine months)
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To: mc5cents

God doesn’t command anything of the sort. Men play with old books they THINK are words of God. Christians are just as bad.


8 posted on 07/14/2010 4:27:22 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: SJackson

Pres_ _ent Obama and the DNC support these murders.
And these are not the first, and not the last.

Has anyone heard a protest from 1600?
Has anyone heard a threat of stopping support to Egypt?


9 posted on 07/14/2010 4:32:28 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Article IV - Section 4 - The United States shall protect each of them against Invasion)
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To: USCG SimTech

Christians ARE NOT just as bad.


10 posted on 07/14/2010 4:38:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: USCG SimTech

Who said that god did? I was speaking of the ROP.


11 posted on 07/14/2010 4:40:57 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: USCG SimTech
God doesn’t command anything of the sort. Men play with old books they THINK are words of God. Christians are just as bad.

Yup all those Christians being killed for converting to islam, the Christian honor killings and the cries of "Jesus is Lord" as a plane loaded with fuel smashes into a building filled with people. Yeah Christians are JUST AS BAD. What a clever boy you are.

12 posted on 07/14/2010 4:48:54 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: SJackson

The honorable Sheikh Youssef Al-Badri is a sick criminal and deserves to be imprisoned forever.


13 posted on 07/14/2010 4:49:23 AM PDT by Tax Government (We ask nothing except that our elected representatives uphold the Constitution.)
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To: Venturer
The article was written by Nonie Darwish...I followed the link to her site and she had a few links to youtube regarding Rifqa Bary...which Youtube has taken down. How is that for a surprise, huh?

There still are a few videos of Rifqa, but the comments are almost all muslim apologists call her a liar, a whore and the sort and cheering her coming down with cancer. Islam is very evil and it's easy to see for anyone who has eyes.

14 posted on 07/14/2010 4:49:48 AM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to abdicate control of it to the government)
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To: USCG SimTech

Do you remember when Christians killed all those children at Beslan?

No, wait, it was Muslims who did that. But Christians are just as bad, right?

Or those schoolgirls who were beheaded by Christians in the Philippines?

No, wait, it was Muslims who did that. But Christians are just as bad, right?

Or that mentally-subnormal boy that Christians strapped a bomb to in Gaza?

No, wait, it was Muslims who did that. But Christians are just as bad, right?

I could go on. Literally for pages.


15 posted on 07/14/2010 5:13:24 AM PDT by agere_contra (Obama did more damage to the Gulf economy in one day than Pemex/Ixtoc did in nine months)
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To: RightOnline
God how I loathe Islam.

So do I. Damnation to that evil cult.

16 posted on 07/14/2010 5:19:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: ScottinVA
So do I. Damnation to that evil cult.

AMEN.

May God save them and change them and convert them. But if they choose not to be saved and converted may God kill them now before they drag any one else into hell with them.

17 posted on 07/14/2010 5:36:28 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: SJackson

““God has commanded us to kill those who leave Islam.” “

Wrong god. Try the real one, Christ Jesus.


18 posted on 07/14/2010 5:39:24 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: USCG SimTech
Christians are just as bad.

That's the least intelligent comment I've seen on FR in 2010.

Congratulations, I guess.

BTW, if you have any links describing Christians who have converted to Islam being killed by Christians for doing so, please post them. Also any links quoting a Christian clergyman as saying "God says converts must be killed" or equivalent statements would be useful as well.

Thanks in advance.

19 posted on 07/14/2010 5:43:02 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

If Christians leave Christianity we usually say nothing or G-d be with you and I’ll pray for you. Not shout Allah Akbar and start shooting them with our AK47s.

I just finished reading “Son of Hamas” and what led him to look for another way was the hypocrisy in Islam.


20 posted on 07/14/2010 5:54:17 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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