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Ideas for ‘reverse flotillas’ gain steam
jpost.com ^ | 6/8/10 | ABE SELIG

Posted on 06/08/2010 10:42:39 AM PDT by Nachum

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1 posted on 06/08/2010 10:42:39 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Turkey will sink the ships!


2 posted on 06/08/2010 10:43:55 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Marty62

ANYONE that ways ANYTHING good about Turkey need to remember the Armenian Genocide.


3 posted on 06/08/2010 10:45:26 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: Nachum

How about a flotilla of Armenians, to remind the world of their genocide?


4 posted on 06/08/2010 10:46:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Nachum

And don’t forget the Kurds.


5 posted on 06/08/2010 10:47:46 AM PDT by bergmeid (Fumigate Washington NOW)
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To: Nachum
Oh, Lord.

What could possibly go wrong?

6 posted on 06/08/2010 10:48:04 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Nachum
I think it's about time to bring the mass slaughter that the Turks perpetrated upon people in their own country -- to the forefront for the world to "examine" and think about ...


Armenian Genocide

The Armenian Genocide - also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, by Armenians, as the Great Crime - refers to the deliberate and systematic destruction (genocide) of the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire during and just after World War I. It was implemented through wholesale massacres and deportations, with the deportations consisting of forced marches under conditions designed to lead to the death of the deportees. The total number of resulting Armenian deaths is generally held to have been between one and one and a half million. Other ethnic groups were similarly attacked by the Ottoman Empire during this period, including Assyrians and Greeks, and some scholars consider those events to be part of the same policy of extermination.

It is widely acknowledged to have been one of the first modern genocides, as scholars point to the systematic, organized manner in which the killings were carried out to eliminate the Armenians, and it is the second most-studied case of genocide after the Holocaust. The word genocide was coined in order to describe these events.

The starting date of the genocide is conventionally held to be April 24, 1915, the day that Ottoman authorities arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. Thereafter, the Ottoman military uprooted Armenians from their homes and forced them to march for hundreds of miles, depriving them of food and water, to the desert of what is now Syria. Massacres were indiscriminate of age or gender, with rape and other sexual abuse commonplace.


7 posted on 06/08/2010 10:50:32 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Nachum

These flotillas better be gunboats or have escorts.


8 posted on 06/08/2010 10:56:12 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: Nachum

Good idea, but the problem is they’ll get blown out of the water.


9 posted on 06/08/2010 10:56:33 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Travis McGee
Here's what Turkey thinks about genocide and the slaughter of innocents ...



THE MAGNITUDE OF THESE TRAGIC EVENTS ARE CLEARLY RECORDED.

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In his book, "Passage to Ararat," Michael Arlen writes that Turkish women were given the dagger (Hanjar) to give the final stab to dying Armenians in order to gain credit in the eyes of Allah as having killed a Christian.

Another interesting note in history is that during the Asia Minor genocide, there were ships in the Smyrna harbor from Great Britain, the United States, France, Japan and Italy, among others. To escape the massacring Turks, the Christian population swam out to these ships.

The ships' crews, however, hit the hands of those trying to board so that they would fall back into the sea or literally push them back into the sea. Their excuse? They did not want to offend the Turkish government. Only the Japanese captain took pity on the victims and allowed them on board. To confirm this tragic event, author Nicholas Gage writes in his book, "Greek Fire," and gives the following account: "Foreign battleships [i.e., warships] - English, American, Italian and French - were anchored in the harbor, sent by the major powers initially in support of Greek forces but later told to maintain neutrality. They would or could do nothing for the 200,000 refugees on the quai. The pitiful throng - huddled together, sometimes screaming for help but mostly waiting in a silent panic beyond hope -- didn't budge for days. Typhoid reduced their numbers, and there as no way to dispose of the dead:

"Occasionally a person would swim from the dock to one of the anchored ships and tried to climb the ropes and chains, only to be driven off. On the American battleships the musicians onboard were ordered to play as loudly as they could to drown out the screams of the pleading swimmers. The English poured boiling water down on the unfortunates who reached their vessel. The harbor was so clogged with corpes that the officers of the foreign battleships were often late to their dinner appointments because bodies would get tangled in the propellers to their launches."

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10 posted on 06/08/2010 10:56:43 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Marty62
Turkey will sink the ships!

And the world would be silent or cheer.

11 posted on 06/08/2010 10:59:31 AM PDT by TigersEye ("Flotilla" means "pirate ships running supplies to terrorists.")
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To: Nachum

Will these reverse flotillas have “humanitarian” supplies for the Kurds?


12 posted on 06/08/2010 11:02:32 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Nachum
This is Turkey's idea of "human rights" ...



Recognition of the Armenian Genocide

To date, twenty six countries and 44 states of the USA have officially recognized the massacres of Armenians committed by the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1923 as genocide.

International Organizations

There is general agreement among genocide scholars that the events constituted genocide. Several international Armenian organizations, conducting studies of the events, have determined that the term "genocide" aptly describes "the Ottoman massacre of Armenians in 1915–1918."


13 posted on 06/08/2010 11:02:58 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Nachum

What the Israelis SHOULD have done was fill a bunch of Israeli ships loaded with the terrorists they captured in the last flotilla from Turkey, with Israeli markings on them, and sent them towards Turkey - unannounced - and piloted by remote control.

Of course the terrorists would have to have been locked up below decks but then, Israel is only a short distance from Turkey.

Let the Turks respond - and let justice be done!!


14 posted on 06/08/2010 11:03:00 AM PDT by ZULU
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“We need three things to pull this part off,” he said. “Money, logistical support and balls – and we’ve got the last two things covered.

Then they need 4 things ... Lead pipes.
Apparently "peace" activists in the area are equipped with lead pipes they use to pommel people.

15 posted on 06/08/2010 11:04:55 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Nachum
I wonder what the translation for this is in modern Hebrew”

“It looks like we've got us a war, A gut-busting, mother loving Navy War”

16 posted on 06/08/2010 11:10:24 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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Turks irked over U.S. calling Armenian genocide a genocide, threaten to take it out on...the Armenians

March 17, 2010 1:29 PM

The Turks are irked.
The Turks are irked.
Who would dare to irk the Turks?
One who smirks, "You're genocidal jerks!"

And so now, in a move reminiscent of those who say in effect, "Say that Islam is a religion of peace or we'll kill you," the Turks are saying, "Say we didn't commit genocide against the Armenians or we will start persecuting the Armenians." And remember, the Armenian genocide itself started with mass expulsion orders. Hrayr Karapetyan, an Armenian MP, certainly sees Erdogan's statement as heralding another genocide: "The statement once again proves that there is an Armenian genocide threat in present Turkey."

"Turkey threatens to expel 100,000 Armenians over 'genocide' row," by Damien McElroy for the Telegraph, March 17 (thanks to all who sent this in):

Turkey has threatened to expel 100,000 Armenians from the country in response to the US branding the First World War killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as "genocide". [...]

Tensions with Armenia have recently escalated as a well-organised worldwide campaign has persuaded the American Congress and Swedish parliament to adopt resolutions condemning the incidents as "genocide".

An Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day Bill has also been put before the House of Commons and Mr Erdogan has warned Gordon Brown that relations would suffer if parliament passes it.

Turkish law already makes discussion of genocide an offence punishable by imprisonment.

"There are currently 170,000 Armenians living in our country. Only 70,000 of them are Turkish citizens, but we are tolerating the remaining 100,000," said Mr Erdogan.

"If necessary, I may have to tell these 100,000 to go back to their country because they are not my citizens. I don't have to keep them in my country." [...]

Mr Erdogan said its neighbour should distance itself from the overseas community leading the lobbying.

He said: "Armenia has an important decision to make. It should free itself from its attachment to the diaspora. Any country which cares for Armenia, namely the US, France and Russia, should primarily help Armenia to free itself from the influence of the diaspora."

But yesterday there was uproar in Armenai [sic] over the suggestion of deportations. Hrayr Karapetyan, an Armenian MP, condemned Mr Erdogan's remarks as blackmail.

"The statement once again proves that there is an Armenian genocide threat in present Turkey, thus world community should pressurise Ankara to recognise [the] genocide," he said....


17 posted on 06/08/2010 11:11:34 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Now that is a great idea


18 posted on 06/08/2010 11:12:11 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: bergmeid
Getting a boat load of Kurds and weighing anchor sounds like a cheesy plan.

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19 posted on 06/08/2010 11:24:43 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Nachum

I like their creative thinking, but sailing into Turkish waters without permission sounds like it would not end well (do you guys remember Midnight Express??)


20 posted on 06/08/2010 11:30:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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