Posted on 04/21/2010 5:53:00 PM PDT by Plutarch
if B.O. REALLY wants to marginalize REAL Americans all he need do is PUT UP..and we shall then be forced to shut up
He cant and therefore we wont.
NBC.....2 Citizen Parents! Does not matter where he was born! His father was NOT a citizen had he admits to dual citizenship through his father!!!!
The entire establishment purposefully looked away when questions about Obambi’s qualifications came up, both during and after the election. Not one soul had the courage to “officially” ask the questions we all wanted answered.
Cowards, one and all.
OK, then ... if you idiots won’t ask for proof ... we will.
Good luck with that re-election thing, pal.
Meanwhile Jenny Granholm has suddenly gone wishy washy on her understanding of what a native born citizen is.
Says she was only 4 when she came here and that should be good enough for native born.
You got me thinking, so I read the bill. The controversial part comes from an Amendment to the AZ Senate Bill (SB 1024), which may be found here. That Amendment, offered by Rep Burges and accepted by the Senate, contains the following paragraph...
"B. The national political party committee for a candidate for president for a party that is entitled to continued representation on the ballot shall provide to the secretary of state written notice of that political party's nomination of its candidates for president and vice‑president. Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidate's citizenship and age and shall append to the affidavit documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidate's age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States.emphasis added
I suspect your assessment is correct. The amendment doesn't specify what document needs to be appended, just one that proves that the candidate is a "natural born citizen". Essentially, they're going to leave it to a court to decide what's sufficient and what isn't. That won't end well.
Good grief. Did she really say that? And just think, that's "one of the great legal minds" that might be under consideration for the Court.
One thing that isn’t often considered is that Obama may have all the BC proof needed, and he’s doing what he does on so many other things both large and small, just jerking our chains for effect.
He doesn't act like one.
Because Obama acts as if he has something to hide and he obviously does.
Here is what I believe and why. My Unified Theory of Obama's Birth Certificate:
Is Obama a natural born citizen?
Yes.
How can you be sure?
Because Obama ran for office when a Republican was sitting in the White House. As soon as he became a serious Presidential possibility, the FBI, under the orders of a Republican President, would have checked out the original birth documents to ensure a legal candidacy. If there was evidence that he was not a natural born citizen, the Republican White House would have been on Obama like a pitbull on a pork chop.
So why does the so-called "myth" persits?
Because Obama hides behind privacy laws to refuse to release the original birth certificate. Obviously, Obama has something to hide. The "birthers" believe he is hiding the place of his birth. I don't because of the reasons I gave above.
So, if not his birth place, what on Earth is Obama hiding?
Embarrasing details in his original birth certificate that would tarnish his carefully manicured "Dreams from My Father" public image.
1. Obama was an illegitimate child born out of wedlock. His father, Barack Obama, Sr., was already married in Kenya to Kezia Aoko and the U.S. Government knew that from his visa application. Polygamy is not legal in the U.S. and Obama's mother is probably listed as "Single" in the original birth certificate.
2. His given name on the original birth certificate was probably "Barry" and not "Barack" and his given surname on the original birth certificate may have been "Dunham" and not Obama.
Until sombody proves me wrong, that's my theory and I'm stickin' to it.
Thank you for your post. I have watched the comments on this thread with interest, wonderng when someone was going to challenge the assertion that Hayworth distanced himself from the issue.
Now I don’t pretend to know and I haven’t had time to check it out. But it is interesting that the report took so long to be questioned.
As far as McCain is concerned I can’t wait to see that little fraud kicked out of office. He will be welcomed in Mexico since he has been working for Mexican interests for years. The little jerk threw the presidential race to Obama. They ought to put him in a cage for that.
He DID release his certificate of live birth, aka birth certificate! It’s not the long form original that many people want, but it IS a certificate from the state of Hawaii showing Obama was born there.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg
The government of Hawaii confirmed that Obama’s long form original matched the information on the birth certificate. More on that here:
http://blogs.starbulletin.com/inpolitics/certified/
A local newspaper also announced Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
It’s my understanding that the BC released by Obama would qualify him to go on the ballot in Arizona. The proposed law doesn’t say he has to release the original document. It only says he has to release documents proving he’s a “natural born citizen.”
Now some FReepers believe Obama is not a NBC by virtue of having a Kenyan father. Has the SCOTUS ever provided a precise “natural born citizen” definition that specifically requires both parents to be citizens? I don’t know of one.
That doesn’t mean I don’t support this law in Arizona. I don’t understand why anyone would oppose it, since it’s a relatively benign requirement to provide the necessary documentation. In other words, it’s no big deal.
Obama covered up his academic records and fought the “birther” lawsuits. Nevertheless, that doesn’t prove he’s NOT a natural born citizen. Based on the existing evidence, it’s reasonable to conclude Obama IS a natural born citizen. I’d love to have a court see the original document and rule on this, but I’m far more concerned about Obama’s un-American ideology than this conspiracy stuff.
In order to prove that obama is not a natural born citizen it is necessary to first secure a CERTIFIED COPY of his birth records to prove his father was a kenyan national. It does not matter what we know or think about his father , we have to be able to prove it in court. With a certified copy of obama’s birth record , it would prove that obama is not a natural born citizen and is ineligible to be president. So basically obama must continue to hide his birth record so that it can not be used against him. Congressional records: CHILDREN OF CITIZENS SHALL BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN. U.S. Supreme Court:CHILDREN WHOM PARENTS ARE U.S. CITIZENS ARE NATURAL BORN. PLAIN FACT: BOTH PARENTS ARE REQUIRED TO BE CITIZENS IN ODER TO BE CONSIDERED NATURAL BORN.
OldDeckHand: “Sunshine is the best disinfectant, and people - through their elected representation - have a duty to demand the most transparent and unencumbered elections.”
Well written. As I posted, the Certificate of Live Birth (aka birth certificate) released by Obama would almost certainly qualify him to be on the Arizona ballot. It complies with the proposed law.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg
What I don’t understand is the resistance to the law itself. What possible harm can come from it? None! As you wrote, elections MUST be transparent and unencumbered by controversies.
His actual name is Steve Dunham: http://americangrandjury.org/barack-obama-his-name-is-steve-dunham
I think that's been considered. I believe myself that when it is politically expedient for Obama to release his birth certificate, he'll release it, probably on Jay Leno or the Daily Show where everyone can make a big joke about it.
Right now, it's politically expedient for him not to release it. He can sit back and watch conservative leaders try and distance themselves from the whole issue, disinviting birthers from tea parties and making embarrasing public statements they're either immediately asked to clarify or backpedal away from.
As you said, jerking our chains.
There have been 18 articles posted today containing the keyword “natural born citizen”. That is quite a bit more than normal.
marron: “He has already admitted that his pa was not a US citizen which means that he is not “natural born”.”
Is that your own personal definition of “natural born?” Please post a court ruling or government document that specifically states someone who is born in the USA to a US citizen and a non-citizen is NOT a natural born citizen. Seriously. Where are you getting the idea that both parents must be citizens for someone (born in America) to be natural born?
I know there was the deal with McCain, but his circumstances were different. He was born outside the US to two American citizens serving overseas. The issue there was the place of birth, not the citizenship of his parents.
We have elected some doozies over the years but this is the first i recall electing a fairy tale. And a commie fairy tale at that.
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