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US Forest Service admits putting surveillance cameras on public lands
Islandpacket.com ^ | March 15,2010 | Tony Bartelme

Posted on 03/22/2010 10:04:52 PM PDT by MamaDearest

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To: This Just In

I have air horns left over from the boat. Instead of selling them at the yard sale I will keep them, thanks again.


81 posted on 03/23/2010 1:04:50 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (timendi causa est nescire)
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To: pandoraou812

Our close friend has been training Dobermans for decades.

My in-laws were breeders and bear hunters (fed’s used to contract to track bears who’d feed on livestock). I would strongly recommend that you talk to an old bear hunter in the area. They’ll be able to provide you with valuable information. Unless you don’t care for hunters, of course.

They can be cantankerous and suspicious (not all), but they know what they’re talking about when it comes to their dogs and predators.

As you know, your horses will also sense when a predator’s in the area, but they won’t be able to run the animal off. A dog will.

Wishing you, your family, and your livestock all the best.

TJI


82 posted on 03/23/2010 1:13:59 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: This Just In

I have no problem with hunting. I just believe you use what you shoot. I have some family still in PA & hope to reconnect with them. Maybe they or a neighbor will help me. Although I am trying hard to find a house off the grid as much as possible. It is harder then I ever thought too. I am used to a big house. Thank you for all your advice & the best to you & yours too. Good Night. Pandy


83 posted on 03/23/2010 1:30:54 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (timendi causa est nescire)
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To: married21
You’d need the camera to notice the logging if you hadn’t been there lately, and aren’t going to get there any time soon. The rangers have big territories to monitor.

Illegal logging doesn't need to "monitored" at remote camp sites.

Most of it that I've heard of occurs, at least when I lived in an area plagued by it, by poachers conveniently cutting 'over boundary' at a legal harvest site, whether a fed sale, or private land abutting NFS/BLM lands. Quite a bit of extra footage can "accidentally" go onto the trucks from hi-grading or even clear cutting a swathe 50-100' wide and a mile or two long. A 100' X 2mile strip effectively adds about 650 acres to a 2,500-3000 acre timber sale. Say a 2mile square, with an average of 25' over-boundary cutting is 8 miles of boundary gives the same result.

Hikers camping at remote hike-in sites rarely carry felling saws, sets of wedges, gas & oil cans, and a skidder in their backpacks.

I might accept, it it wasn't a primitive site that it was an anti-vandalism measure. Also, most Ranger Districts have maximum stay limits, so it can also be an anti-squatting measure.

84 posted on 03/23/2010 1:59:07 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (I think not, therefore I don't exist!)
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To: ApplegateRanch
A 100' X 2mile strip effectively adds about 650 acres to a 2,500-3000 acre timber sale.

More like 24 acres.

85 posted on 03/23/2010 2:18:01 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

25.87 to be exact.


86 posted on 03/23/2010 2:22:33 AM PDT by anton
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To: wideminded
More like 24 acres.

Damned dismal points! /sarc>

Thanks for the correction. Got in a hurry, and quick figured it at acre ~= 200X200 and 640 in a section, so 100' ~= 1/2 arce time the FULL 640, rather than the ~25/26 acres bordering the side of the section.

Sigh! 5280 X 2 X 100/43560 = what you said, and is how I should have calculated it!

87 posted on 03/23/2010 2:28:07 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (I think not, therefore I don't exist!)
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To: anton
25.87 to be exact.

24.2424...

88 posted on 03/23/2010 2:39:52 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: VeniVidiVici

Unless of course there is a big sign on it declaring that it’s the property of the US Government.

To which you then deposit it into the nearest lake.


89 posted on 03/23/2010 2:59:30 AM PDT by bikerman
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To: ApplegateRanch
I know I should follow the advice of Benjamin Franklin but I don't always succeed: :)

"I made it a rule to forbear all direct contradiction to the sentiments of others, and all positive assertion of my own. I even forbid myself, agreeably to the old laws of our Junto, the use of every word or expression in the language that imported a fix'd opinion, such as certainly, undoubtedly, etc., and I adopted, instead of them, I conceive, I apprehend, or I imagine a thing to be so or so; or it so appears to me at present. When another asserted something that I thought an error, I deny'd myself the pleasure of contradicting him abruptly, and of showing immediately some absurdity in his proposition; and in answering I began by observing that in certain cases or circumstances his opinion would be right, but in the present case there appear'd or seem'd to me some difference, etc. I soon found the advantage of this change in my manner; the conversations I engag'd in went on more pleasantly. The modest way in which I propos'd my opinions procur'd them a readier reception and less contradiction; I had less mortification when I was found to be in the wrong, and I more easily prevail'd with others to give up their mistakes and join with me when I happened to be in the right."

90 posted on 03/23/2010 3:05:38 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: MamaDearest

IMO, if any revenues to government (fees, etc.) are required to enter, don’t go there until after the default. Don’t feed the beast.


91 posted on 03/23/2010 4:28:37 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: wideminded

By Jove I’ve been wrong all these years. A square acre is not 202x202 as I had thought but 208.7x208.7. And 640 acres to the square mile. And, 43,560 square feet. Live and learn. Thanks for the correction.


92 posted on 03/23/2010 4:29:42 AM PDT by anton
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

“Winston Smith would feel right at home.” Well put! That is the first thing that I thought!


93 posted on 03/23/2010 5:20:18 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("Only Property Owners that pay taxes should have the right to Vote")
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To: anton
A square acre is not 202x202 as I had thought but 208.7x208.7. And 640 acres to the square mile. And, 43,560 square feet.

It's very annoying that an acre can't be expressed as a square whose side is an even number of feet. About the closest one can get is 220 x 198.

94 posted on 03/23/2010 10:05:42 AM PDT by wideminded
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