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Dem Rep. Matheson to vote against health reform, again
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 3-20-2010 | Matt Canham

Posted on 03/20/2010 3:44:46 PM PDT by katieanna

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To: katieanna

Dems are imploding. Dems are imploding.

Pelosi does not have the votes, and she is basically out of time. This massive confusion at the end just can NOT be part of any plan. It indicates ... confusion.

At the end of the day, Dems on the fence are not going to vote yes on this bill if they think it’s anything other than a lock. A few of these guys might fall on their swords if they think their vote will surely change the outcome. But there are limits even to their stupidity.

None of these fence-sitters are going to commit suicide for no good reason.

Pelosi is losing her grip.


21 posted on 03/20/2010 3:55:29 PM PDT by drellberg
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To: Chet 99

exactly. The old witch has her votes. I hope these miserable snake democrats choke on their 30 pieces of socialist silver.


22 posted on 03/20/2010 3:56:15 PM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: Chet 99

Chet, I was with you since August on this position, but Cantor and Boehner don’t seem to agree. They seem to think we can win this. It’s down to a handful.


23 posted on 03/20/2010 3:59:45 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: newnhdad

peloszi does not have the votes. stupak said she needs 4 from what he was hearing.


24 posted on 03/20/2010 4:01:02 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: LS
Add Choice of OH as a flip to NO from YES.

Is that a new flip?

25 posted on 03/20/2010 4:01:38 PM PDT by what's up
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To: LS
Question to all here on FR. Everyone is so opposed to pork, “special deals,” etc. What would you give the Stupak Seven to guarantee a no vote on this?

Clean hands with no blood on them.

26 posted on 03/20/2010 4:02:40 PM PDT by Sea2ShiningSea
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To: katieanna

Already counted as a “no”.

He’s a no staying a no.


27 posted on 03/20/2010 4:03:22 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: crosslink; biggredd1
"But I still can’t see Glenn Nye switching his vote to yes. If Nye votes no, then a Stupak group of six would be enough. "

I hope your right about Nye. RollCall is reporting that Stupak's goup (including himself) is down to six.

Democrats Picking Off Stupak Supporters

28 posted on 03/20/2010 4:04:00 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: katieanna

I am shocked! Pleasantly so, of course.


29 posted on 03/20/2010 4:04:10 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: OldDeckHand

One more thing to remember about the Stupak group: of the ten that I have left in the group, only Lipinski and Kaptur are in solidly Democratic districts. Stupak, Berry, Mollohan, Donnelly, Dahlkemper, and Rahall all represent districts that lean Republican, and Driehaus’ and Costello’s districts lean Dem by 3 points or less. That means that, except for Lipinski and Kaptur, it’s in their political best interest to vote against Obamacare regardless of its disposition of the abortion issu


30 posted on 03/20/2010 4:05:32 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: biggredd1
His brother was given a judge job by the usurper obama!!

No takesies backsies.
31 posted on 03/20/2010 4:06:41 PM PDT by Overtaxed Patriot (Lock and load.)
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To: crosslink

The pro lifers that vote yes, are they going to CHURCH Sunday morn???


32 posted on 03/20/2010 4:08:12 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: biggredd1

yes the church of the DEMONcrat.


33 posted on 03/20/2010 4:10:32 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Overtaxed Patriot

sorry for typo...it was fudge job.


34 posted on 03/20/2010 4:10:34 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: crosslink
"One more thing to remember about the Stupak group: of the ten that I have left in the group, only Lipinski and Kaptur are in solidly Democratic districts."

I live (part time) in central Ohio. Kaptur's district isn't too far from where I live, and I can promise you she's going to end up voting for this. She is as liberal as they come - right next to Sherrod Brown.

The only possible thing she could be angling for is more pork. The county-wide unemployment rates came out last week, and her home county was one of the highest in the state - perhaps the highest. She's looking for some bacon to bring home, IMHO. This has NOTHING to do with abortion.

Plus, she's in her 60's and has never been married, AFAIK. If you catch my drift.

35 posted on 03/20/2010 4:11:20 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Overtaxed Patriot
I remember when a Federal Judge appointment could buy a vote.
36 posted on 03/20/2010 4:14:01 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Pray for my soul. More things are wrought by prayer Than this world dreams of.-- Idylls of the King)
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To: OldDeckHand

kathy dahlkemper of stupak group is shaky, but lives in Erie where the Bishop Trautman [who supports her] lives.


37 posted on 03/20/2010 4:14:07 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: OldDeckHand

I understand I will just call her him PAT. I live in MI and Stupak votes 85% of the time with the the libs so I think an Executive Order banning abortion will give him the fig leaf to vote for this thing.


38 posted on 03/20/2010 4:14:17 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: OldDeckHand

TweetTeriChristoph Firedoglake:

Pelosi needs Foster, Kanjorski, Michaud, Ortiz, Pomeroy, Schrader + two former No votes (Baird, L.Davis, Matheson, Nye, Tanner)

2 minutes ago via web


39 posted on 03/20/2010 4:15:28 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (Obama-scare is the "real" Cash for Clunker Program!)
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To: crosslink
On the other hand, if the President can craft an Executive Order that will satisfy Stupak, it’s all over — always has been.

EO can't undo or amend existing law, can it?

40 posted on 03/20/2010 4:16:59 PM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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