Skip to comments.Stupak Abortion Language to Be Substituted for Senate Language in Deal to Secure Health Care Votes
Posted on 03/19/2010 7:45:03 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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No. If the House votes for this, the Senate bill then becomes law (w/ Obama's signature). It will then be up to the Senate to approve the changes included with the House's 'yes' vote. These are changes that the Senate had already rejected, and with 41 GOP Senators already vowing to vote against, there is literally no chance these changes will be passed. This means that any House member voting 'yes' on Sunday is voting exclusively for the Senate Bill, and that includes the Cornhusker kickback, the Louisiana Purchase, the Connecticut Payoff, the South Florida Exclusion, and best of all, Government-mandated abortion coverage.
Make no mistake. With 216 'yes' votes on Sunday, the Senate Bill becomes law, and the HHS Secretary will be empowered to order every insurance company in America to cover abortions. And with that, YOU will be required to pay premiums to cover the cost of those abortions. It will take 216 votes (6 x 6 x 6).
The Senate Republicans have already done exactly that.
Are you sure Shuler is still a ‘no’?
I think this bill is a based on a different parliamentary proceedure than the Reconciliation bill. I believe it actually instructs the Clerk to change the Senate bill before it is presented to the President. My fear however, is that if the House votes for this and then the senate votes it down that the Senate Bill could then go to the President to be signed without any changes.
In other words as of this minute Pelosi isn't assured of having the votes.
Everyone has a tip,(lol) we out here in the real world just have to keep praying for Divine Intervention. Sure can't depend on a democrat, Stupak or any other.
So, they are counting on Republicans to vote for it? The Republicans had better vote which ever way throws a wrench in the Obamacare works.
That is exactly what will happen. If the House passes this, then the Senate Bill becomes law as soon as Obama signs it. (Of course he promised the American People that he would wait 5 days before doing so.)
You can't work with them, converse with them, legislate with them, make deals with them. They are in reality the unrepentant spawns of Satan and the prime example of the presence of evil on Earth. They have no redeeming virtues and are the "human" equivalent of an unrestricted malignancy.
Plenty of votes does not square with those who are keeping close tallies. Those tallies show the publicly stated no votes are only one or two shy of 216. If that's how it stays, then the yes votes could only be a few more than 216. That's not "plenty". But maybe those who have said they're voting no are lying just to get people to stop calling their offices so that tally could be inaccurate.
Most of the members in Stupak's coalition have not declared either way.
It is a risky maneuver to give Stupak a separate vote, because if enough Republicans vote "present", that vote would fail and what would that gain Stupak and his gang if they turn around and then vote FOR the Senate bill? It would just demonstrate that they don't really have principles, they just want to appear as if they have them.
There is a lot of misinformation and confusion out there. Much of it makes no sense whatever.
Yeah, but FDL has had terrific whip count and analysis that appears reality-based. The intercepted communication of the enemy is the best intelligence.
Stupak said he and Pelosi didn’t have an agreement. Stupak is susposed to make an announcement tororrow.
That's all that Diogenesis can do. Which is why I coined the term Flying Inman for his ilk. They bring up religion where it doesn't belong, and are a threat to hijack.
How could Stupak think that any separate bill or even any changes to the reconciliation bill have anything to do with what will be signed into law. As soon as the reconciliation bill is passed, and the senate bill is “deemed” to have passed, Obama will sign the senate bill into law and have a huge party for the “historic” victory for universal health care.
Problem enough believing a web site I half way trust.
Mercy I have no idea what Stupak can think or even what he will or will not do. They are all lying democrats. Tomorrow when he make his announcement we’ll know if he accepts Pelosi’s offer.
If Stupak had any sense he'd just vote no and help kill this piece of crap.
The owner of the site agreeing with the point of view being promoted by the spam posting seems a poor reason to allow the site to be degraded. Is anything anti-Romney allowed, no matter how lame, disruptive, and unrelated to the topic at hand?
“There is a lot of misinformation and confusion out there. Much of it makes no sense whatever. “
I agree...and add “disinformation” to the towering pile of babble.
Virtually nothing trustworthy or useful.
All of this reminds me of those stories of Malenkov, Beria, and Molotov chasing each other around the Kremlin with pistols the night Stalin died.
“All of this reminds me of those stories of Malenkov, Beria, and Molotov chasing each other around the Kremlin with pistols the night Stalin died.”
I was not aware of this, but you have piqued my curiosity. Will look that up....But, on another thread I said:
none of them are truly taking moral or legal stands
theyre not even taking RATIONAL stands; whats taking place right now almost feels like some psychotic frenzy.
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