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Stupak Abortion Language to Be Substituted for Senate Language in Deal to Secure Health Care Votes
FiredogLake ^ | 3/19/10 | Jane Hamsher

Posted on 03/19/2010 7:45:03 PM PDT by LdSentinal

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To: dschapin
So, if the House votes for this and the Senate does not would the house then have to unvote this change before the Senate bill could go to the President?

No. If the House votes for this, the Senate bill then becomes law (w/ Obama's signature). It will then be up to the Senate to approve the changes included with the House's 'yes' vote. These are changes that the Senate had already rejected, and with 41 GOP Senators already vowing to vote against, there is literally no chance these changes will be passed. This means that any House member voting 'yes' on Sunday is voting exclusively for the Senate Bill, and that includes the Cornhusker kickback, the Louisiana Purchase, the Connecticut Payoff, the South Florida Exclusion, and best of all, Government-mandated abortion coverage.

Make no mistake. With 216 'yes' votes on Sunday, the Senate Bill becomes law, and the HHS Secretary will be empowered to order every insurance company in America to cover abortions. And with that, YOU will be required to pay premiums to cover the cost of those abortions. It will take 216 votes (6 x 6 x 6).

121 posted on 03/19/2010 9:42:06 PM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: delapaz
Real simple, we just tell Stupak that not one single Republican will vote for this. And don't bluff, tell him we're not going to improve the bill. Even if it means passing it with the Senate language.

The Senate Republicans have already done exactly that.

122 posted on 03/19/2010 9:43:16 PM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: akapossumdawg

Are you sure Shuler is still a ‘no’?


123 posted on 03/19/2010 9:46:48 PM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Hoodat

I think this bill is a based on a different parliamentary proceedure than the Reconciliation bill. I believe it actually instructs the Clerk to change the Senate bill before it is presented to the President. My fear however, is that if the House votes for this and then the senate votes it down that the Senate Bill could then go to the President to be signed without any changes.


124 posted on 03/19/2010 9:50:52 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: thouworm
Thanks

In other words as of this minute Pelosi isn't assured of having the votes.

Everyone has a tip,(lol) we out here in the real world just have to keep praying for Divine Intervention. Sure can't depend on a democrat, Stupak or any other.

125 posted on 03/19/2010 9:51:32 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: LdSentinal
According to a member of Congress who was briefed on the matter, Pelosi has agreed to let Stupak have a vote on his amendment either before or after the House votes to pass the Senate bill.

So, they are counting on Republicans to vote for it? The Republicans had better vote which ever way throws a wrench in the Obamacare works.

126 posted on 03/19/2010 9:52:56 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: dschapin
My fear however, is that if the House votes for this and then the senate votes it down that the Senate Bill could then go to the President to be signed without any changes.

That is exactly what will happen. If the House passes this, then the Senate Bill becomes law as soon as Obama signs it. (Of course he promised the American People that he would wait 5 days before doing so.)

127 posted on 03/19/2010 9:56:28 PM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: LdSentinal
Correct....never, ever trust a demoncrat.

You can't work with them, converse with them, legislate with them, make deals with them. They are in reality the unrepentant spawns of Satan and the prime example of the presence of evil on Earth. They have no redeeming virtues and are the "human" equivalent of an unrestricted malignancy.

128 posted on 03/19/2010 9:57:19 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: thouworm
“He tells me with certainty that they have plenty of votes and that some yes votes will be allowed to vote no if they choose for their protection. He says that everyone’s internal polling has been much better than expected. He says at this point that last sticking point is whether to give Stupak a separate vote, which Pelosi is considering.”

Plenty of votes does not square with those who are keeping close tallies. Those tallies show the publicly stated no votes are only one or two shy of 216. If that's how it stays, then the yes votes could only be a few more than 216. That's not "plenty". But maybe those who have said they're voting no are lying just to get people to stop calling their offices so that tally could be inaccurate.

Most of the members in Stupak's coalition have not declared either way.

It is a risky maneuver to give Stupak a separate vote, because if enough Republicans vote "present", that vote would fail and what would that gain Stupak and his gang if they turn around and then vote FOR the Senate bill? It would just demonstrate that they don't really have principles, they just want to appear as if they have them.

There is a lot of misinformation and confusion out there. Much of it makes no sense whatever.

129 posted on 03/19/2010 9:57:27 PM PDT by randita (Sarah Palin has the same computer that I have.)
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To: BARLF
Did you know this Jane Hamster ...Firedoglake is a far left liberal?

Yeah, but FDL has had terrific whip count and analysis that appears reality-based. The intercepted communication of the enemy is the best intelligence.

130 posted on 03/19/2010 9:57:30 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

Stupak said he and Pelosi didn’t have an agreement. Stupak is susposed to make an announcement tororrow.


131 posted on 03/19/2010 9:57:53 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: Minn
Are you sure that hijacking the threat with a very long, unrelated, spam style rant is the right thing to do?

That's all that Diogenesis can do. Which is why I coined the term Flying Inman for his ilk. They bring up religion where it doesn't belong, and are a threat to hijack.

132 posted on 03/19/2010 10:00:24 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: BARLF

How could Stupak think that any separate bill or even any changes to the reconciliation bill have anything to do with what will be signed into law. As soon as the reconciliation bill is passed, and the senate bill is “deemed” to have passed, Obama will sign the senate bill into law and have a huge party for the “historic” victory for universal health care.


133 posted on 03/19/2010 10:05:44 PM PDT by Wallaby
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To: Plutarch
Firedoglake has ties to MoveOn and I think Soros funds MoveOn. I believe nothing from either of them. I'll get my information from other than an known enemy.

Problem enough believing a web site I half way trust.

134 posted on 03/19/2010 10:06:06 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: Wallaby

Mercy I have no idea what Stupak can think or even what he will or will not do. They are all lying democrats. Tomorrow when he make his announcement we’ll know if he accepts Pelosi’s offer.


135 posted on 03/19/2010 10:13:41 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: Wallaby
P.S.

If Stupak had any sense he'd just vote no and help kill this piece of crap.

136 posted on 03/19/2010 10:23:28 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: Dengar01; Diogenesis; Admin Moderator
I guess it would be interesting to hear from a mod why posting the same long pre-packaged propaganda piece, over and over into unrelated threads, is continually allowed.

The owner of the site agreeing with the point of view being promoted by the spam posting seems a poor reason to allow the site to be degraded. Is anything anti-Romney allowed, no matter how lame, disruptive, and unrelated to the topic at hand?

137 posted on 03/19/2010 10:26:17 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: randita

“There is a lot of misinformation and confusion out there. Much of it makes no sense whatever. “

I agree...and add “disinformation” to the towering pile of babble.

Virtually nothing trustworthy or useful.


138 posted on 03/19/2010 10:38:00 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: thouworm

All of this reminds me of those stories of Malenkov, Beria, and Molotov chasing each other around the Kremlin with pistols the night Stalin died.


139 posted on 03/19/2010 10:46:37 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Never compromise with evil! Even in the face of Armageddon!! Rorshach)
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To: xkaydet65

“All of this reminds me of those stories of Malenkov, Beria, and Molotov chasing each other around the Kremlin with pistols the night Stalin died.”

I was not aware of this, but you have piqued my curiosity. Will look that up....But, on another thread I said:

“none of them are truly taking moral or legal stands”

they’re not even taking RATIONAL stands; what’s taking place right now almost feels like some psychotic frenzy.


140 posted on 03/19/2010 10:58:24 PM PDT by thouworm
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