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VANITY: A Conservative Nightmare in 2012: will McCain run again?
FR | 2010-03-14 | rabscuttle385

Posted on 03/13/2010 6:02:46 PM PST by rabscuttle385

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To: OneWingedShark
It is hard for me to believe I got you to say rats "honestly" don't care what you think, and you find that refreshing. That is their superior selling point for a conservative like you. Thanks for correcting me, and good reasoning

Republicans, on the other hand, claim (for example) to be anti-abortion, having it on their stated list of planks; yet, during the six-years they were the majority (with Bush in office) they didn’t even so much as propose federally illegalizing abortion...

the accomplishments of George W Bush

Banned Partial Birth Abortion - by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.

By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.

By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.

Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.

Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.

And the best chance to overturn RvW in decades now that we have young and smart Chief Justice of the United States Roberts and Justice Alito. I'm happy I could help educate you.
81 posted on 03/13/2010 9:00:54 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: OneWingedShark; hiredhand
well shark, I read em all, and hafta say that I wont even bother too much anymore in arguing my principled decision with the 'anybody but rat name' folks, who are simply paralysed by fear...

I will never again vote for a politician who cant demonstrate an ability to Represent at least the majority of my conservative Christian principles, either by former record, or by sworn & written promises [fwiw if they have no record]...

beyond that, Ill pull the lever of the closest match, regarless of their prefix, or simply write in the Lord Jesus Christ and trust that He will Represent and Work for me and my family...

all the rest is whistlin past the graveyard anyways...my .02...

82 posted on 03/13/2010 9:18:50 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: OneWingedShark
>You seem angry...

Why aren’t you?

I've been around the block enough times to know that FR is not a representative sample of GOP voters or even conservative voters. In 2000 everybody at FR was sure Keyes was going to be the next Prez. In 2008 we couldn't decide on a standard bearer but we knew it couldn't be McCain.

Conservative justification for defending the rats is not new. Conservatives abandoned George HW Bush in 92 saying "Bush is so bad the rat couldn't be worse. Then they voted in Clinton. I don't know how anybody can look at 0 today and say he isn't the worst Prez in history but it doesn't suprise me that they post on FR.

83 posted on 03/13/2010 9:27:16 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: rabscuttle385

When is the last time the country elected a 76 year old, pudgy and balding man? I am sure even McCain knows he has no chance in 2012.

I am looking for a fresh candidate in 2012, ala Paul Ryan, Pence, DeMint, some one like that. Please no has beens and also ran’s.


84 posted on 03/13/2010 9:29:55 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: Once-Ler

How is that significant? Partial birth abortions ARE murder; and how is “executive order” being credited to the party?

>It is hard for me to believe I got you to say rats “honestly” don’t care what you think, and you find that refreshing.

It is refreshing to the back-stabbing lies... IE better to be stabbed in the back by your mugger than betrayed by your ‘friend.’

The unwillingness to argue/debate, or even recognize ‘non-personal’ (ie non-positional) authority is a different matter.

What REALLY burns me though, is inconstancy in law. Either something IS legal, or it is NOT legal. That one can have a state constitution forbidding a class of laws, and state statutes making those infringements is, in a word: OUTRAGEOUS. (See: http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=query&iid=66b036fd.eebbfe6.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%27nmc%20artii-6%27%5D & http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=query&iid=66b036fd.eebbfe6.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2730-7-2.4%27%5D )

That the state ISN’T ‘called’ on it, and it hasn’t been challenged in the ~20 years it’s been law, is preposterous.

And we have EXACTLY the same thing with our Congress, Executive Office, and [to some degree] Supreme Court regarding our Federal Constitution and the Federal Laws.

Pelosi is on-record with responding “Are you serious?” to questions regarding the Constitutional authorization for health-care reform. Detestable the disregard for the highest law of the land, and a detestable contradiction of her oath to that Constitution. In all though that’s far more honest a reply than the balless-wonders we have in Congress called Republicans. (Hell, DeMint is pretty much the singular guy “taking the attack” to the other side form what I’ve seen.)

>That is their superior selling point for a conservative like you.

Who said I was buying? {I made a comparison that I would rather vote for Obama than McCain; that doesn’t mean that I _REALLY_REALLY_ want to vote for Obama; it says I REALLY REALLY DON’T want to vote for McCain.}
I’m only saying that it’s better to have poison labeled as such than as “Life Giving Refreshment!”

Or do you think that is acceptable and desirable to mislabel your product?


85 posted on 03/13/2010 9:32:25 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ansel12
This is really silly, a 76 year old weak candidate from 2008 is not going to run in 2012.

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Yes it's silly, but remember that it's called the Stupid Party for a reason.

Also remember that Zero will likely run unopposed, leaving DemonRat voters in many states free to cross over and vote in Republican primaries. They would love for the Republicans to nominate a weak 76-year old.

The only way to prevent such a nightmare scenario is for the national Republican Party to require that only Republicans can vote in Republican primaries. That might mean that several states would have to change to a caucus system. Liberal Rats should not pick our nominee.

86 posted on 03/13/2010 9:37:14 PM PST by stillonaroll (Nominate a non-RINO in 2012!)
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To: stillonaroll
Yes it's silly, but remember that it's called the Stupid Party for a reason.

Some people call them the President party since they are the undisputed champion of Presidential elections.

McCain is not running in 2012.

87 posted on 03/13/2010 10:12:57 PM PST by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: OneWingedShark
Your inability to see the good works done for the unborn under Bush and the GOP congress is silly.

Other than that, I don't necessarily disagree with anything you posted, except to say it doesn't matter that we agree on the Constitution. As Pelosi said "Are you serious?” Millions of voters are completely ignorant of the constitution or indoctrinated by the school system and media. Arguements that persuade conservatives don't work on moderates and rats. If they did they would be conservatives.

I believe the 2 parties rarely agree on anything except that the American political system should have 2 major parties. They have made it very hard for a 3rd party to succeed. My team is the GOP. rat is never the solution.

88 posted on 03/13/2010 10:18:01 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: Once-Ler
>I believe the 2 parties rarely agree on anything except that the American political system should have 2 major parties. My team is the GOP. rat is never the solution. But maybe violence is. When all peaceful reform is exhausted/impossible then armed resistance is inevitable. >Your inability to see the good works done for the unborn under Bush and the GOP congress is silly. I'm not saying there wholly WERE no good works for the unborn; I'm saying that the Republicans were too busy Circle-jerking everyone in a "bi-partisan manner" to step up to the plate and act on their stated goal of repealing the legalization of [all] abortion... or at least give it to the states. That 'partial birth abortions' which are VERY demonstrably [biology, brainwaves, "an accident of timing" etc] murder is one of the most significant rollbacks of Roe v. Wade is disgusting[ly little].
89 posted on 03/13/2010 10:34:44 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Virtual McCain to run again as Mit Romney in 2012


90 posted on 03/14/2010 3:40:23 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Drew68

JMHO, but I suspect that Sarah’s consideration of a presidential run is based on what she observed of McCain’s campaign. In other words, she saw the all the mistakes, errors, and misjudgments and now probably believes that she can do it better.


91 posted on 03/14/2010 5:13:55 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in democrat stands for patriotism)
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To: rabscuttle385

“VANITY: A Conservative Nightmare in 2012: will McCain run again?”

No. There is a God.


92 posted on 03/14/2010 5:57:14 AM PDT by Grunthor (Everyone hates the U.S. at least until they need liberated.)
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To: rabscuttle385

If that happens I will vote third party, just like last time.


93 posted on 03/14/2010 5:58:38 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: rabscuttle385
The best way to make sure this doesn't happen is make sure he isn't a United States Senator. Of course one of his enablers (the sweetheart of FR) can do no wrong.

JD 2010

Jim DeMint 2012

94 posted on 03/14/2010 6:05:04 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: rabscuttle385
makes a power play to take the 2012 GOP nomination

He was thumped by Bush back in the 2000 primary so there's no reason he can't get thumped again. And there will be even more reason to thump him this time.

If he should get the nomination tho, I'll vote for Nader then leave the country..........

With that being said, if he loses his senate bid then his political career will finally end......

95 posted on 03/14/2010 6:13:55 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My boomerang won't come back)
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To: rabscuttle385

Scabbers,

If you would listen to the news instead of yourself all the time, you would know that McCain has repeatedly said that he has no desire to run for president again.

Boy! You need some meds for that serious case of McCain Derangement Syndrome


96 posted on 03/14/2010 7:48:32 AM PDT by hjhough
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To: rabscuttle385

“So, my question for my fellow FReepers is, McCain’s 2010 re-election race with J.D. aside, what happens if McCain wins in 2010...”

Let’s do ourselves and Sarah Palin a favor, and get McCain out of there this year, then no one has to worry what the old fool is up to.


97 posted on 03/14/2010 7:58:12 AM PDT by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: alloysteel

“If anything, McCain SHOULD have resigned his seat in the US Senate in 2008, and run full-time for the office of President. So should have Obama, too, but we aren’t going to get any do-overs now.”

And Biden, HIllary, and the rest of the senate who ran for president, while ignoring their senate job. Duncan Hunter was the only one not clinging to his present seat while running for president.


98 posted on 03/14/2010 8:02:13 AM PDT by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

Bump!


99 posted on 03/14/2010 9:05:34 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: OneWingedShark

If nothing else it would leave a better taste in your mouth!


100 posted on 03/14/2010 11:54:01 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub. III OK)
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