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To: johnnycap
Your arguments are specious and all over the map. Black swans!!!!ha!!! Genetic DNA of identical twin, not identical??? Beer bellies????Inconsistent logic of pro-life and pro-capital punishment??????? SHEEESH!!!!

You obviously do not believe in moral absolutes; you couldn't find the truth of one plus one; and worse, you must be a progressive! O Hail, Obama! (Please tell me I am wrong.)

Can you believe in anything if you state that "Catholic scholarship in all its different forms is conjecture"? My, my, then you must really abhor the stuff coming out of Andrew Sullivan's mouth and the ideas of Planned Parenthood trying to instill the pleasures of sex to ten year olds. Oh wait! They defy Natural Law and celebrate moral relativism. Oh, the wisdom of progressives and deviants, like Kinsey, must really inspire you to find "truth" and "reason"--well, I mean the "right" kind of reason which can't be based on Natural Law. (Can that be possible?)

Such liberation to encourage children to explore the most intimate part of self and treat sex like a commodity--like a piece of candy to give to whomever. Oh what fun!!!! Nothing like a good sex romp with someone who could care less about any aspect of your personality and never want to take on any responsibility for that "romp" and be willing to kill a human being if one would happen to be produced by such an inconsequential little act. Oh what an ordered society we would have. (BTW, babies are innocent of any crimes, unlike killers--Is there no difference?.)

Certainly there would be no loss of self esteem as you give multiple partners a piece of yourself--unlike the mean, repressed Catholics who dare to preach to children that their bodies are the temple of God. Respect for your body does not mean defiling it with acts that destroy it. I know you have heard of the seven deadly sins, so do you honestly think a beer belly is a good thing? I would probably get kicked off this site if I described why homosexual acts destroy the dignity of man. You know why, although your lack of moral standards prevent you from acknowledging the facts about orifices and fecal matter. You need to rationalize it as not a behavior choice--no free will there! Prostitution is demeaning, also, because you use the body as a commodity--to sell like a worthless plastic toy. I can not explain in this space, how dignity of man, when reduced to animal acts, does not allow man to claim higher moral status than a dog. The Pope has thoroughly writen about this subject which should convince any "logical" person to the validity and need for control and morality. The geniuses in the modern world and the Founders of the greatest experiment in the history of human interaction understood that happiness could not be attained without virtue. Think about that one for a few years and then look back to the wisdom of Aristotle--on the habituation of virtue, etc.

1. Why do you think serial killers are immoral? (Hint: They learned the behavior from cruel/immoral caregiver/s)

2. Why would a 4 year old engage in sex acts? (Hint: They learned the behavior by being abused by sexually immoral adults)

3. How come all men were homosexuals in the Spartan army? (Hint: Babies were killed if they were not perfect, then they were taken away from their mothers at a tender age and initiated into sexual "joys" by an older mentor.)

4. Do NAMBLA members really believe they "love" the little boys they molest or could it be just lust, per chance? (Didn't that Duke homosexual selling his little black adopted son for sex, wasn't that just sharing some love with his progressive pals?) I'm sure the little boy felt so loved and desired! Certainly that behavior has NO effect on his future behavior and none on his sexual life.

5. Homosexuality excludes the opposite sex. How can that unite the sexes, when all it would do is separate them? (Hint: In all societies that adopted/promoted homosexuality, women were nothing more than slaves/breeders. Men stayed with men. Women stayed with the women. They were kept separate, except for occasional breeding. Integration didn't happen--after all, they enjoyed the same endeavors. Young boys were forced into sexual slavery to older men, but" of course, it was sanctioned and the boys "desired" it. (That makes it natural, doesn't it???) Then, I think homosexuality is also idolatry, which also makes some very interesting, logical arguments.

6. Why are gays behind all the hate crime legislation when it denies people freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and freedom of religion? (Hint: They can not win the debate and have to shut down the truth.)

7. Why are men and women designed differently? (Hint: there truly is a natural reason and a correct use of the body.)

8. Did Pavlov prove anything? Can behaviors be manipulated? (Hint: Can language be taught? Can logical thinking be taught? Can human feelings be manipulated? and controlled by adults?)

9. Can you learn to do such an unnatural thing as kill yourself? To be a little jihadist? Is that a learned behavior? How could anyone go against the most powerful instinct in the human body--the one to survive--and do such an unnatural act? (Hint: It is learned behavior.)

117 posted on 02/11/2010 7:17:46 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie
Wow...what an exciting and emotional purge. I am so very happy for you now that you have gotten all those thoughts out. Hmmmm...where does one begin? Well, you didn't really stay on any one topic long enough to put together a fully formed thesis on any.

Still, it was really interesting to see the shards of ideas stringed in a sequence coming out of your mind. It was exciting actually. These things float around in our heads and we try to string them together and yet there are so many anecdotal pieces of information that it would take longer than we have here to put together what could be a whole book on the topic.

Of course, reading into it, I can see where I think you are going on all these thoughts and in many cases, I am in agreement. Some of the things you put forth are downright ludicrous and some are nearly universal truths. I won't argue them point for point because you leaped across history and back in lightning speed and there is no way to preserve nuance and depth by replicating the feat.

One thing I would observe which is consistent through everything you have said in both of these posts is the certainty of the universalness of many of your assumed truths. I look at life as supreme irony. As a Catholic, I bring my faith to a church which on one hand says we should respect the human body as a temple yet on the other spent a good part of the 15th century illuminating city squares across Europe with more than the occasional human torch.

All of life is irony.

According to Matthew, Jesus said:

“A Prophet is Not Without Honor Except in His Own Home Town and His Own House” Matt 13-57

We live in a world where those who should love, support and believe in us the most are often are harshest critics and the very people who would seek to undo our success. Jesus recognized this. His own brothers and sisters did not believe him according to the scripture.

If your own siblings and/or townspeople don't recognize your outstanding qualities, who will? That in itself gives me cause to believe that even that which we take for granted was once in doubt or may well be in the future...and when in doubt, we should tread lightly in the judgment of others.

Jesus is also purported to say:

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured unto you. And why behold you the mote that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? Or how will you say to your brother, Let me cast out the mote out of your eye; and lo, the beam is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's eye.”
Matt 7:1-5

I believe one of us or both is in for a real awakening after this life ends. I accept the fact that it may well at least be me. I would like to go into that with as much compassion for others (even those different from myself), so that if I fail to uphold all that God wanted me to uphold, at least I will believe in my heart that I have tried to treat others as I would have wanted to be treated if I were in their shoes. So, I chose to tread lightly. What does amaze me is how heavy the shoes are of many of those who profess to stand on the “conservative” side of these particular issues.

118 posted on 02/11/2010 9:44:51 AM PST by johnnycap
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To: savagesusie
Gist of my incomprehensible post:

I believe in Natural Law (as defined by the Catholic Church).

I believe in the innocence of childhood and that all behaviors are learned through interaction with others and the environment, including morality and character (unless there is some physical and/or neurological damage).

I believe that sexual immorality (learned) is destructive to society in all forms--adultery, homosexuality, pederasty, fornication, polygamy, bestiality, etc.--because it always results in the defiling and demeaning of self and destroys important relationships and/or families--children are particularly harmed.

I believe that happiness can only be found by the pursuit of virtue.

I believe that societies should never direct the glorification of evil at children, ever, through media (as defined by the moral absolutes) and if caught, they should be heavily fined and put out of business because it affects how children think.

122 posted on 02/11/2010 5:32:21 PM PST by savagesusie
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