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To: TLI

lol. Man you guys just do not get it. The Feds would cut off everything. Power, water, access to ports, MONEY, seized all assets outside of Texes and close the roads to major cities. The secession would not last a year and then the new contract to let Texas back in to the Union would be an onerous one indeed.


193 posted on 02/07/2010 12:46:25 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: mad_as_he$$
lol. Man you guys just do not get it. The Feds would cut off everything. Power, water, access to ports, MONEY, seized all assets outside of Texes and close the roads to major cities. The secession would not last a year and then the new contract to let Texas back in to the Union would be an onerous one indeed.

LOL!

That doesn't sound like extortion to you?

Why would ANY state want to stay in the Union after that? In fact, MANY right and good people would move to Texas to help keep her going.

Tell me, what would happen if Texas shut down her refineries that supply MOST of the United States with petroleum products in response to a federal blockade of the state? Lots of those in Houston area....

At least the Obamination would get his $8 to $10 a gallon gas prices for the rest of the US that way.

200 posted on 02/07/2010 1:19:13 PM PST by bayliving (1 if by land, 2 if by sea and 3 if by our own government.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
The Feds would cut off everything. Power, water, access to ports,

Texas and its red state allies have their own power, water, food, and ports.

The blue states, such as New England, are the ones dependent on red States for power, water, food and ports.

205 posted on 02/07/2010 1:47:34 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: mad_as_he$$
The Feds would cut off everything. Power, water, access to ports, MONEY, seized all assets outside of Texes and close the roads to major cities. The secession would not last a year and then the new contract to let Texas back in to the Union would be an onerous one indeed.

Lord, this is why there are such things as professionals I suppose.

Texas always has and pretty much still is independent on it’s power grid, it’s called ERCOT and one can not “turn off” the grid from outside of the State. Texas' main electric power grid is a 40,000-mile network of long-distance, high-voltage transmission lines and substations that carries bulk electricity to multiple utility companies for distribution to their customers. This grid, which has an approximately 72,700 megawatts of available generation capacity, delivers approximately 85 percent of Texas' overall power usage to 22 million Texans.

The bulk power system consists of three independent networks: Eastern Interconnection, Western Interconnection, and the Texas Interconnection. These networks incorporate international connections with Canada and Mexico. Overall reliability planning and coordination is provided by the North American Electric Reliability Council, a voluntary organization formed in 1968 in response to the Northeast blackout of 1965.

The ERCOT coverage area includes approximately 75 percent of the land area in Texas. The region does not include the El Paso region, the northern panhandle, a small area around Texarkana and a small portion of the region around Beaumont.

ERCOT's members include consumers, cooperatives, independent generators, independent power marketers, retail electric providers, investor-owned electric utilities (transmission and distribution providers), and municipal-owned electric utilities.

Being that Texas has its very own system that can be connected to other systems (but does not have to) it can run 85% of the State independent of the rest of the planet without so much as a hiccup.

The same goes for the water system. The system was designed, developed and is maintained by Texas Water Resources Institute and the Texas Water Development Board. Texas water supply has been independent of the rest of the U.S. for over 100 years. The TWDB direct planning and control goes back 50 years. Or perhaps there are folks that still believe the fed can “dam the river” or some such ignorance? Texas water comes from Texas, with minor exceptions of the El Paso region which can not be shut off as it is shared under international border treaty with Mexican cities starting with Juarez.

TWDB was established in part in response to the drought of the 1950s. The 2007 State Water Plan is the eighth water plan developed by TWDB to ensure that sufficient, clean, and affordable water supplies are available for the citizens of the State of Texas. The plan is independent of nearly all sources of water outside of Texas. It is not subject to “federal” control.

As for “access to ports” Texas has about 2000 miles of international border with Mexico and the Mexicans do not give a flying **** what dee-cee thinks as they know they are a bunch of idiots and always have been. Hell, the Mexicans wanted to bypass ALL of the west coast ports with the Trans Texas Corridor specifically for shipping purposes. The feds are not going to “cut off” a damn thing.

As far as using their federal currency, you have just GOT to be kidding. With the resources in Texas we can develop our own currency in the international forum in a week with a better rate of exchange and more stable value than the federal government could hope for by practicing fiscal austerity for 30 years. Or perhaps there is the theory that "money" can only be "ordaned" from the almighty dee-cee?

Nor will any feds be “closing roads” or any such nonsense. It they want the petroleum products from the Gulf Coast and west Texas refineries they had best get their butts right back in their “green” government vee-hickels and head for their respective federal buildings. TEXAS ships refined product to both the East Coast (supplying more than half of that region's needs for light products like gasoline, heating oil, diesel, and jet fuel) and to the Midwest (supplying more than 20 percent of the region's light product consumption.) This totals roughly one third to one HALF of the total U.S. refined petroleum products.

No sir, the feds aren’t going to close any roads for very damn long at all. And the majority of the pipelines flow out of Texas as well.

Now, lets talk about the military. What does Texas have? Better to talk about what it does not have.

Specifically

Texas Military Forces


67th Network Warfare Wing 1
111th Reconnaissance Squadron
12th Flying Training Wing
136th Airlift Wing
147th Reconnaissance Wing
149th Fighter Wing
17th Training Wing
181st Airlift Squadron
182nd Fighter Squadron
2
23d Information Operations Squadron
254th Combat Communications Group
26th Network Operations Group
28th Bomb Squadron
3
301st Fighter Wing
311th Air Base Group
317th Airlift Group
318th Information Operations Group
33d Network Warfare Squadron
356th Airlift Squadron
36th Infantry Division (United States)
37th Training Wing
39th Airlift Squadron
3d Air Support Operations Group
4
40th Airlift Squadron
415th Flight Test Flight
433d Airlift Wing
434th Fighter Training Squadron
435th Fighter Training Squadron
457th Fighter Squadron
469th Flying Training Squadron
47th Flying Training Wing
5
502d Air Base Wing
543d Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Group
559th Flying Training Squadron
560th Flying Training Squadron
562d Flying Training Squadron
563d Flying Training Squadron
59th Medical Wing
6
688th Information Operations Wing
68th Airlift Squadron
68th Network Warfare Squadron
7
712th Air Support Operations Squadron
7th Air Support Operations Squadron
7th Bomb Wing
7th Operations Group
8
80th Flying Training Wing
82d Training Wing
84th Flying Training Squadron
85th Flying Training Squadron
86th Flying Training Squadron
87th Flying Training Squadron
88th Fighter Training Squadron
89th Flying Training Squadron
9
90th Flying Training Squadron
96th Flying Training Squadron
97th Flying Training Squadron
99th Flying Training Squadron
9th Bomb Squadron
A
Air Education and Training Command
Air Force Cyber Command (Provisional)
Air Force Manpower Agency
Air Force Medical Operations Agency
Air Force Personnel Center
Air Force Personnel Operations Agency
Air Force Real Property Agency
Air Force Security Forces Center
Air Force Services Agency
B
Beaumont Reserve Fleet
Fort Bliss
Brooke Army Medical Center
Brooks City-Base
Bryan Air Force Base
C
Camp Barkeley
Camp Bowie
Camp Howze, Texas
Camp Hulen
Camp Logan
Carl R. Darnall Army Medical Center
D
Dyess Air Force Base
E
Eldorado Air Force Station
F
Fort Hood
Fort Sam Houston
Fort Wolters
G
Goodfellow Air Force Base
H
Nidal Malik Hasan
K
Kelly Field Annex
L
Lackland Air Force Base
Laughlin Air Force Base
Lone Star Distinguished Service Medal
M
Marine Aircraft Group 41
Marine Aviation Logistics Squadron 41
Marine Aviation Training Support Group 22
N
Naval Air Station Corpus Christi
Nineteenth Air Force
O
Old Camp Verde
R
Randolph Air Force Base
S
San Antonio Military Medical Center
Sheppard Air Force Base
Fort Hood shooting
T
Tenth Air Force
Texas Air National Guard
Texas Army National Guard
Texas Cavalry Service Medal
Texas National Guard
Texas State Guard
U
United States Army North
United States Army South
V
VFA-201
VMFA-112
VMGR-234
W
Wilford Hall Hospital


JUST Fort Hood has the entirety of 49th Armored and the entirety of the attack helicopter forces for the U.S. There is also Dyess Air Force Base, Beaumont Reserve Fleet, 68th Airlift Squadron, 712th Air Support Operations Squadron, 7th Air Support Operations Squadron, 7th Bomb Wing, 7th Operations Group, Fort Sam Houston, Lackland Air Force Base, Marine Aircraft Group 41, Naval Air Station Corpus Christi, Nineteenth Air Force, Randolph Air Force Base, Sheppard Air Force Base, Tenth Air Force, Texas Air National Guard, Texas Army National Guard, Texas National Guard, etc.

Given the choice between independence and freedom in Texas and a raving lunatic narcissist ordering the occupation of the very same fellow Americans cities, towns and homes (in violation of the constitution) that refuse to enter into full blown communism, what do you think they will do? Remember, they are KEENLY aware that this administration considers them, as veterans, to be “Right-wing Extremists” and therefore highly suspicious potential domestic terrorists.

And then we have the iceing on the cake, Pantex. With that we control the maintenance, assembly and disassembly of the U.S. nukes.

So let’s wrap it up. East, Central and west Texas oilfields, natural gas out the wazoo, independent electrical grid, independent water supply, cattle, cotton, high tech electronics industry, half of the U.S refining capacity, coal mines in the east, timber and food production in the east, non-union work force throughout the entire state, more military power than most other first world nations, our own nukes, year round food production in the south, 2000 miles of international trade border with Mexico, the entire gulf region and a population of heavily armed self-reliant, independent minded Citizens.

You are telling me that this very same population of heavily armed, self-reliant, independent minded Citizens KNOWING they have these resources will just give up because some nutjob communist from Chicago said so?

You are not from around here are you?

And one more thing.

What do you believe the Citizens of the rest of the States are going to say, do and talk about if they see the Communist from Chicago pushing thug tactics on Texas and Texas Citizens because they had the audacity to tell the feds from dee-cee where to get off?

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223 posted on 02/07/2010 6:10:06 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: mad_as_he$$

First of all Texas has it’s own power, more than we need in fact. If the feds cut the lines, we would be just fine, on the other hand California would be sitting in the dark.

Water - we got tons.
Ports are all ours.
Money - we could print our own.
Roads - who wants to leave Texas ? :)


314 posted on 02/09/2010 9:51:00 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (November is coming.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
lol. Man you guys just do not get it. The Feds would cut off everything. Power, water, access to ports, MONEY, seized all assets outside of Texas and close the roads to major cities

Uh,, and how would they do that when Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas control those roads and join Texas to overthrow the communist dictator? Power and water??? get real, its here already and not supplied by big communist "O".

454 posted on 02/09/2010 4:36:20 PM PST by MrPiper
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