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To: WVKayaker

How about looking at the words the Founders used?
Worship God as our conscience sees fit?
Funny, it doesn’t mention Islam, and Islam was around back then.
Nor did they mention Zoroaster or Ahura Mazda, or Dagon, baal, or Ashtoreth.
The Founders said “God”.
Now what religion would that be?


525 posted on 01/12/2010 12:19:46 PM PST by Darksheare (Tar is cheap, and feathers are plentiful.)
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To: Darksheare

Well, well, well, Mesta....doesn’t this thread (now) just fit the bill of how Muslim/Islamic symptathizers can derail and infect our nation.

Here we are planning a push for taking back our country and in comes debates over Muslims rights...(under our constitution or not).... to push THEIR political agendas (under the disguise of being a religion.) How appauling is that!

If this can happen on a thread organizing for our country on the Largest Site on the net... imagine what’s happening and will be happening in our country nation wide.

This thread needs to be taken back to it’s original intent! Tick Tick Tck!

I’ve seen these same faces on other threads with the same old agruements. Some things never change and this arguement is one that can’t be settled out side those in our Government recognizing the mindset, how Muslims reason,(when possible to do that) their true agenda, and workbooks Muslims are using to move their Political/Islam into the USA, and informs the public in mass.

Until that happens these discussions cannot bare any good fruit on THIS THREAD except to waste very prescious time better spent on our own agenda. TICK TICK TICK.....


526 posted on 01/12/2010 12:22:12 PM PST by caww
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To: Darksheare; WVKayaker

How about looking at the words the Founders used?
Worship God as our conscience sees fit?
Funny, it doesn’t mention Islam, and Islam was around back then.
Nor did they mention Zoroaster or Ahura Mazda, or Dagon, baal, or Ashtoreth.
The Founders said “God”.
Now what religion would that be?

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Don’t forget the Barbary wars on “the shores of Tripoli”. The response of the founders was send the navy, kill, and break.


539 posted on 01/12/2010 12:30:32 PM PST by ROTB (Public Option vs. Insurance: Armed men at my door demanding payment vs a "bill")
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To: Darksheare
FRiend, we can debate American history all day. I have Google to help, if I can't remember things. I'm a native Tarheel.

I spent some time around Southport, NC. There's an old church ruin near there at Old Brunswick town. It was built originally around 300 years ago. Now, it is just a monument to some of those who left religious persecution, to come to a better place. My antecedents were Episcopalians, but I worship God now, myself. They've fallen off into homosexuality and open sin.

There were Roman Catholics that came here to one place, and Calvinists and Puritans that landed elsewhere, to escape the trouble brewing in their homelands. They all worshipped God as they saw fit. The original colonies were models of religious enclave. I doubt you would have gotten much agreement on the same matter from them. Many of them were ATHEISTS.

ALL men are created equal. It's not mine to define "men". God did that before we were a spark in our parents mind! Do you wish to promote tyranny and anarchy> I prefer to hang onto what we're got and defend it.

The First Amendment reads:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

From Proud Atheists site, I copied these thoughts. I am a Chrisian, but I was looking for words better than my own...:

The Second Amendment affords us the “right to bear arms”, but in no way does it require any type of firearms ownership…nor is gun ownership a requirement to run for public office.

Our Constitution was written and tailored to afford us personal freedoms, not requirements to submit under peer pressure to conform to religious views and laws.

547 posted on 01/12/2010 12:38:19 PM PST by WVKayaker (HARANGUE, n. A speech by an opponent, who is known as an harrangue-outang. -Ambrose Bierce)
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