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Posted on 01/08/2010 6:18:55 AM PST by MestaMachine
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Thx 4 the ping.
Your town or city regulates distribution of commercial flyers, but the story may be different for political speech.
Needs to be simpler. Nobody is going to read through all of that.
One printed page, max, and not in small type.
Ten points, max, that ALL conservatives can agree on. The BIG things. We are a broad group, and we’re never going to agree on everything. Find the points that unite us.
The “outlaw Islam” stuff is blatantly unconstitutional. My forefathers sailed the Atlantic so they could live here and worship as they pleased. They fought, literally, for that right. No way is that proposal going to fly. Bedrock.
Sorry if I offend. I’m just telling the truth.
In response to the abridged version of how to get the country back, I had just one point of disagreement:
“We need to get rid of all the useless French/Latin teachers, and teach Arabic and Farsi instead.”
I would agree that we need citizens whom we know to be loyal who know Arabic, so we don’t have to rely on translators and intelligence agents of very questionable loyalty. We need people who are familiar with Islam who are not Muslims.
Similarly, we needed people who spoke Russian and studied Communism without succumbing to it back during the Cold War.
But it’s extremely important that school children should learn the basics of history, culture, literature, and what lies behind our civilization: Athens, Greece and Rome, and some familiarity with the rise of Christendom during the middle ages.
So, I think Latin is valuable. It’s important to know something about the Greeks and the Romans, and the ideas that our civilization is (or was until recently) based on. People should know the Classics. They were taught when England was a world power, and they were a very effective basis for the soldiers and politicians who built civilization around the world.
History, too. Not social studies. Not how we mistreated the Indians ten times over. But how the Greeks defeated the Persians and how our civilization was built and who the ancient heroes were. The left has been desperately eager to suppress all that, so they can turn American history into nothing but killing Indians, destroyingn the environment, abusing slaves, and raising and lowering tarrifs.
And we need to read at least the basic books like the Odyssey, the Aeneid, the Divine Comedy, and Shakespeare, instead of the latest nonsense that the teach in the public schools today. We also need practical, professional education; but it should be based on a classic liberal education in the old sense of the l-word.
P.S. Maybe I should add that if you teach everyone Arabic and Farsi, you’re going to end up giving the impression that that’s what civilization is based on.
Matthew Arnold’s father famously said that schoolboys should learn “The best of what has been thought and said.” That means Greece and Rome and Jerusalem, not Mecca.
Some people should learn Arabic, but as a professional accomplishment, not as a basic part of education. But everyone should have the opportunity to learn Latin and the Classics. Otherwise we’d actually be doing our enemy’s work for them without realizing it. And perhaps we can teach them enough about Muslims and Arabs to put them on their guard.
What say we take MM’s work as a PROPOSAL, get rid of the slugs that are constipating the country and have somebody responsive and responsible to the people legislate all the dotted eyes and crossed tees later on?
Just for now, we got some deadwood to cut and burn, and standing around chatting about the fine points could get somebody smacked upside the head with an axe.
P-Marlowe said:
>Religious Freedom is a cornerstone of the Republic.
Hello P-Marlowe,
1) Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill? When you Google for “Taqiyya” you get results like this: http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
2) Would you rather “legitimately cry foul” or would you rather negotiate for reciprocity once you have leverage? Right now, we have no leverage, and Christianity is suppressed there, and Islam is promoted here, and the Muslims think we are stupid, and actively exploit this oversight. Why would they voluntarily stop oppressing Christians and Jews sometime in the future if they have not until now?
3) John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill as commanded in the Qur’an?
4) According to this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1222977/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-The-outrageous-truth-slips-Labour-cynically-plotted-transform-entire-make-Britain-telling-us.html the British government deliberately wanted to transform England into a multicultural society. If it is happening there, don’t you think it is at least possible the same deliberate sabotage is happening here?
5) Have you seen this article? http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-muslim-takeover-of-america/ It describes how Muslim evil behavior exponentially increases against their linear increase in population. What do you think of them? Given we have done nothing so far, and the situation continues to worsen, how do we effectively respond beyond “legitimately cry foul” which we do, but has had zero *results* so far?
>If this is going to be an integral part of the platform of
>this movement, count me out.
Hopefully you will stay and lend us your insight.
Let’s Roll! Great outline of what needs to be done.
Jesus did say, “ But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;” in Matthew 5:44
But Jesus also said ...
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
Matthew 7:6
Might letting the Muslims come here, and proselytize and breed until they reach sufficient numbers per http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-muslim-takeover-of-america/ to take over, perhaps doing so is “casting pearls before swine”?
If not, why not? How do you apply Matthew 7:6 in real life?
I don’t disagree. But ideas have a way of getting firmly planted if they aren’t questioned early. I spoke to that point because it was the only one I saw that was questionable. All the rest of it was on track. Easier to fix it now than later, when we are actually in a position to repair our broken public schools and colleges.
* Murder (Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 24:17,21)
* Attacking or cursing a parent (Exodus 21:15,17)
* Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16)
* Failure to confine a dangerous animal, resulting in death (Exodus 21:28-29)
* Witchcraft and sorcery (Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27, Deuteronomy 13:5, 1 Samuel 28:9)
* Sex with an animal (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:16)
* Doing work on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, 35:2, Numbers 15:32-36)
* Incest (Leviticus 18:6-18, 20:11-12,14,17,19-21)
* Adultery (Leviticus 20:10; Deuteronomy 22:22)
* Homosexual acts (Leviticus 20:13)
* Prostitution by a priest's daughter (Leviticus 21:9)
* Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14,16, 23)
* False prophecy (Deuteronomy 18:20)
* Perjury in capital cases (Deuteronomy 19:16-19)
* False claim of a woman's virginity at time of marriage (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
* Sex between a woman pledged to be married and a man other than her betrothed (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)
We don't do that stuff anymore, but nevertheless we can still be Christians and good Americans and believe that the death penalty for those offenses would still be just.
But we don't practice that system of justice in America, except for the Murder part and instead we founded our republic on the principle that all men are entitled to the right to believe as they choose, however we also limit the rights of people to practice certain religious rituals because they trample on the rights of others, such as killing witches and killing your children when they show you disrespect.
I would be more than willing to keep anyone out of this country that does not believe in Religious Liberty or that is not prepared to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Although I suspect it is a pipe dream, I would hope that most Muslims in America are not here to destroy our nation, but to enjoy the blessings of Liberty that were won by the blood of patriots.
For this reason I could not sanction any law which would prohibit any religion from building a place of worship subject to the same zoning restrictions that all other religions are subject to.
Hello P-Marlowe,
Questions you have not attempted to answer as of yet:
1) Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill? When you Google for “Taqiyya” you get results like this: http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
2) Would you rather “legitimately cry foul” or would you rather negotiate for reciprocity once you have leverage? Right now, we have no leverage, and Christianity is suppressed there, and Islam is promoted here, and the Muslims think we are stupid, and actively exploit this oversight. Why would they voluntarily stop oppressing Christians and Jews sometime in the future if they have not until now?
3) John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill as commanded in the Qur’an?
4) According to this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1222977/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-The-outrageous-truth-slips-Labour-cynically-plotted-transform-entire-make-Britain-telling-us.html the British government deliberately wanted to transform England into a multicultural society. If it is happening there, don’t you think it is at least possible the same deliberate sabotage is happening here?
5) Have you seen this article? http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2008/03/muslim-takeover-of-west-how-it-works.html It describes how Muslim evil behavior exponentially increases against their linear increase in population. What do you think of them? Given we have done nothing so far, and the situation continues to worsen, how do we effectively respond beyond “legitimately cry foul” which we do, but has had zero *results* so far?
6) Jesus said “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” in . Might letting the Muslims come here, and proselytize and breed until they reach sufficient numbers per http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-muslim-takeover-of-america/ to take over, perhaps doing so is “casting pearls before swine”? If not, why not? How do you apply in real life?
7) NEW — Given government is ordained by God in Romans 13 to punish evil, why let Muslims into this country in the first place, given the extremists are given to mass murder, and the “moderates” never condemn it? How is American society edified by having such people?
One through six are unanswered, and seven is new. I also swapped one of the links for a better one.
Have a wonderful day!
8) Seen these pictures? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2424261/posts?page=11#11
9) Seen this quote? “Please pay attention to my statement: I have decided to fight Islam. Not the political Islam. Not the militant Islam. Not the radical Islam. Not the Wahhabi Islam. But Islam itself. I truly believe that the West has invented these terms for the sake of being ‘politically correct’... Islam has never been misunderstood, Islam is the problem.” It is sourced at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_Sultan
I am patient for a reply to 1-9 P-Marlowe.
I hope you are having a great day.
“Fire me or shut up” Michael Meltdown Steele makes it look like the RINO’s are getting ready to burn down the tent too.
Pick a point and expound upon it. Offer up something. This is really not a thread about civil rights or even freedom of religion. It’s about FREEDOM period. Every single one of these points are IDEAS. If you disagree with one, find one you agree with or offer one of your own. These are the IDEAS of the author who wrote it. He specifically asked for better or more ideas. He also said he knows it is not perfect.
We can narrow this down to what we think is the most important. That is what this thread is for.
PLEASE take the time to consider ALL the ideas and feel free to offer your own. We want to organize. It is a worthy undertaking. Please help.
Next time someone says its just the Democrats you remember, whoever is doing the bad things is the bad guy.
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