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To: Sophia777
The idea has been widely and repeatedly debunked

Oh? Did they prove a negative? Did they prove that Obama was not born outside the US?

All I can say is that until I see the long-form birth certificate I do not feel that they have proven a positive -- that Obama was born in Hawaii. I want to see the proof. Why is that so difficult?

4 posted on 01/07/2010 5:53:11 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You have it right. Factcheck and others coverup groups put up a strawman. Then they knock down the strawman.

The real fact is that most of us don’t know where Obama was born. The few who do know are either not talking ... or talking and we don’t know whether to believe them or not.

Obama’s birthplace is just one example of how little we really do know. Our culture is filled with assumed facts that are not facts at all. They are just assumptions.


25 posted on 01/07/2010 6:08:23 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: ClearCase_guy
All I can say is that until I see the long-form birth certificate I do not feel that they have proven a positive -- that Obama was born in Hawaii. I want to see the proof. Why is that so difficult?

That's my take on it too. If obama wants to claim "transparency" in his administration, well, start from the top. obama needs to quit spending millions (literally) to keep his birth certificate, school records, etc. private.

Personally, I give it a 20% chance obama's long-form BC would show his is an illegal President (ie. Kenyan born). I think it is more likely it would be part of a chain of evidence that would show obama is not his real legal name or some other extremely damaging information. Not sure if that would make him an illegal President - being sworn in under a name that was not his legal name, or what.

What I do know, 100% certain, is that where there is smoke, there's almost always fire. There is no valid reason for obama to waste millions hiding something unless it really needs to be hidden. There is something very, very wrong (legally) with obama's Presidency. People in and around his administration (who should know) have made contradictory claims "I've seen his long form BC" ... "obama has his long form BC" ... and " no long form BC exist, they were all destoried..." etc. Someone is lying about this, has to be. (probably more than one) Congress has shown a remarkable lack of interest in this. I'd say Congress is failing their due diligence responsibility.

46 posted on 01/07/2010 6:49:36 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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