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Live Thread: Senate Debate and Cloture Vote on Motion to Proceed to Debate ObamaCare
Saturday, November 21, 2009 | Kristinn

Posted on 11/21/2009 9:43:50 AM PST by kristinn

C-SPAN 2 is carrying the Senate floor debate live this afternoon.

The Democrats control the floor right now. Earlier, Republican Senators Judd Gregg, Kit Bond, Jeff Sessions and David Vitter gave good speeches and dialogues on the budget-busting effects of ObamaCare.

Maria Cantwell is speaking now. Mary Landrieu is excpected to speak shortly.

The cloture vote is scheduled for 8 p.m. EST tonight.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; cloture; deathpanels; healthcare; hillarycare; obamacare; obamao; romneycare; socializedmedicine; supermajority
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To: nutmeg
They will have the 60 votes. When are people going to realize this is a bolshevist party we are dealing with. as I posted on another thread.

they are not at all afraid as they know that even with marginal losses in 2010 the Bolsheviks have the census. Obama will veto any attempt to roll this back. ACORN will find millions of uncounted souls all in democratic states, thus a shift in the congress and thus the electoral college. They will guarantee themselves dictatorial power in perpetuity. The blowhards who think there will be a revolution are delusional. The dictatorship was voted in last november and still we pretend we live in a democracy when it’s really all make believe. The people in washington already know this. The left has infiltrated every institution we have, is anyone delusional to believe that didn’t include the military, police and the GOP?

They know exactly what they are doing and it's far from political suicide. While we fight them on this they are attacking on all fronts laying the groundwork for permanent power. These guys are MARXISTS. As an ex marxist of the stalinist variety I know marxists when I see them and they are playing our side like violins... No I am not being pessimistic, I am being realistic..

541 posted on 11/21/2009 5:55:41 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: your local physicist

What makes it harder to accept is that these politicians are the choice of the American people over many election cycles. The people are the problem. Walt Kelley understood.


542 posted on 11/21/2009 5:55:52 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Cacique
The dictatorship was voted in last November and still we pretend we live in a "democracy" when it’s really all make believe.

You have "stolen" my thoughts.

544 posted on 11/21/2009 5:57:32 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: your local physicist

Only if it were that simple. Hopefully we can stand as country long enough for that election and defeat Obama.

I want to be optimistic. But if everything Obama wants passes. Expect all sorts of outrage.


545 posted on 11/21/2009 5:58:08 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: your local physicist

Yep, and as the media continues to obscure the health insurance legislation, Congress can pass it. Then State Run Media can tell us how stupid we are for letting it pass


546 posted on 11/21/2009 5:58:39 PM PST by Son House (The penalty for Conservatism will be high.)
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To: Theodore R.

Reagan and the Republican congress actually ended a lot of policies started by Carter or before Carter: they ended “windfall profits taxes” on oil producers, shut down Carter’s government-run synthetic fuels corporation, ended some ineffective government jobs programs, and very importantly, they cut income tax rates dramatically and indexed income tax brackets to inflation. Those tax cuts and indexation gave a big boost to the economy as it rebounded up from the 1982 recession.


547 posted on 11/21/2009 6:02:26 PM PST by your local physicist (If the Canadians and Brazilians can drill for oil off their Atlantic coast, why can't we?)
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To: MilspecRob
The Redline would take me within half a block the my favorite bars/eaterys in Hollywood in half the time of driving.

We are so off-topic here .. LOL

You know, I endured years and years of inconvenience while they were building those subways from downtown to Hollywood, but when they finally opened, I never once rode them. I think they were even free to ride for the first month they were open.

I have no real emotional attachment to driving.

I don't know...maybe being a native California boy has something to do with my love of driving and personal mobility. Everything about it makes sense in my universe. In the pre-auto era I'm the type who would have been riding my own horse. No doubt about it.

548 posted on 11/21/2009 6:04:39 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: your local physicist

Yep, as Doctors realize what’s in the bill, they will abandon working and living in the USA. Property values are going to plummet, more. Thanks Democratics Party!


549 posted on 11/21/2009 6:05:47 PM PST by Son House (The penalty for Conservatism will be high.)
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To: Son House

SRM will never say it was stupid legislation. SRM will distort what’s really in the legislation and its true impact on America. But that won’t work because every citizen is involved in the health care system and we’ll all know the truth about what a mess they’re trying to make out of it, and how they’ve driven the cost of health care way up. SRM could be badly damaged by trying to cover up the truth and lose even more viewers. There’s the silver lining in this big dark cloud.


550 posted on 11/21/2009 6:06:14 PM PST by your local physicist (If the Canadians and Brazilians can drill for oil off their Atlantic coast, why can't we?)
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To: Son House

You ain’t kidding. I know a few doctors who are already talking about leaving the US and setting up new clinics in the Cayman Islands and other nearby offshore locations.


551 posted on 11/21/2009 6:07:47 PM PST by your local physicist (If the Canadians and Brazilians can drill for oil off their Atlantic coast, why can't we?)
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To: mojitojoe
I'm planning on jail, myself. Think about it:

Three meals a day, don't have to work, free healthcare for 1 to 5 years, and don't have to pay taxes the entire time!

I'm almost looking forward to spending my golden retirement years in the slammer. It'll pry beat being on the outside and watching my country being destroyed (and paying for it too)!

Mrs. Prince of Space

552 posted on 11/21/2009 6:09:06 PM PST by Prince of Space (Don't use a big word when a diminutive one will do....)
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To: your local physicist

yeah. That is true. If we do get the right people back into power. We can still reverse things.


553 posted on 11/21/2009 6:09:43 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: your local physicist

The SRM will also be forced to have Barry’s Deathcare...when they realize this will they change their tune???


554 posted on 11/21/2009 6:10:59 PM PST by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: kcvl

a bunch of wimps running the party!

^
Had the same impression as I watched the last few Republicans tonight. When Harry Reid has more fire in his belly then all the Republicans together, it’s time for the primaries to be the first stand for freedom, again.


555 posted on 11/21/2009 6:11:00 PM PST by Son House (The penalty for Conservatism will be high.)
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To: Baynative

You are all wrong about Mary. She would have sold out for nothing. As it was, she got some freebies for the “poor”, who will never see them. People in LA don’t understand when they are taken for a ride.


556 posted on 11/21/2009 6:12:00 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Prince of Space
Three meals a day

Avoid Indiana.

We just cut it to two LOL

http://www.indystar.com/article/20091120/LOCAL/911200392/DOC-defends-program-reducing-lunches-at-Plainfield-prison

557 posted on 11/21/2009 6:12:49 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: Prince of Space

Frig that. You’re gonna die someday anyhow . Take one of those SOBS with you .


558 posted on 11/21/2009 6:16:21 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies om Planet' and " Battle of the Worlds " on Blu-ray ?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I missed most of this. I had to go somewhere.

Schumer sounded like he was speaking in code to their communist followers. I was screaming at my teevee.


559 posted on 11/21/2009 6:18:07 PM PST by Califreak (Obama's Purple Reign must be stopped!)
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To: kcvl
It is hard to fight with a bunch of wimps running the party!

I agree... The words "stay with us through the fight" weren't my words... I'm pretty damn pessimistic regarding America's future right now.

560 posted on 11/21/2009 6:18:38 PM PST by nutmeg (Rush Limbaugh & Sarah Palin agree: NO third parties! Take back the GOP)
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