Live Thread: Senate Debate and Cloture Vote on Motion to Proceed to Debate ObamaCare

Saturday, November 21, 2009 | Kristinn

[kristinn]

C-SPAN 2 is carrying the Senate floor debate live this afternoon.

The Democrats control the floor right now. Earlier, Republican Senators Judd Gregg, Kit Bond, Jeff Sessions and David Vitter gave good speeches and dialogues on the budget-busting effects of ObamaCare.

Maria Cantwell is speaking now. Mary Landrieu is excpected to speak shortly.

The cloture vote is scheduled for 8 p.m. EST tonight.

[Cheerio]

I can’t watch the Dims spin their deceit. I cannot understand WHAT is the real payoff?

Easy. They see this as a way of expanding Government into every crevice of your life, and so when you are dependent on Government for your very LIFE, you dare not vote against the RAT party. Why do you think Carville wrote a book about DEM control over Government for the next 40 years?

[The Comedian]

Somebody let me know how this turns out.

I'm off to buy more ammo...

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[Sarah Barracuda]

Can Joe Lieberman stop this or is this a done deal..Also, is Blanche Lincoln on the take too or is she our last hope

[mewzilla]

They need the debate time so they can finalize any bribery and/or any blackmailing that’s going on...

[Hoodat]

I can’t watch the Dims spin their deceit. I cannot understand WHAT is the real payoff?

Ever read 1984?

[Sarah Barracuda]

Sarah also tweeted these messages today:

Thot I’d stick w tour news on Twitter but can’t help digress: Call senators! Tell ‘em KILL THE BILL tonite;horrible govt healthcare takeover

Senate healthcare takeover debate begins in an hour. Pls call senators if u care about another 1/6th of our economy swallowed up by Big Govt

[clintonh8r]

I wonder if any GOPers will break ranks now.

[vaudine]

To bring it for debate, they must have 60 votes. After debate, they vote up or down, in which case only 51 votes are needed.

So, virtually, a vote to bring it to the floor for debate is a vote FOR the bill, as 97% of legislation brought to debate by cloture (60 votes) is passed.

The ones like Landrieu and Lincoln will propose amendments which will probably be voted down, and then they feel they have cover because they only voted for DEBATE.They may even vote against the final bill but since only 51 votes are needed then, they will get their cover while toeing the Dem party line. Everyone KNOWS 60 votes for debate virtually assures passage.

vaudine

[olrtex]

You said, “I cannot understand WHAT is the real payoff?”

The real payoff is votes, which equals political power. The Democrats are simply trying to transfer wealth form likely Republican voters to likely Democratic voters in order to buy votes. That is the endgame. All this socialism has nothing to do with good healthcare or the distribution of good healthcare. It’s vote buying, pure and simple. No other theory explains what is happening.

[Sarah Barracuda]

Carville knew what he was writing about. He knows what will happen if this passes. Illegals getting free health care, oh geez I wonder who they will vote for

[sloop]

shut up and sit down landrieu - since 100 million is all it took to buy you, you're a cheap ho

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

WATCH IT LIVE ONLINE HERE

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx

[AU72]

This vote is in the money bag.

Cook County Zoning Board variance votes will have more suspense.

[EternalVigilance]

Ain’t modern technology great? We get to watch the sellout of the Constitution and limited government LIVE!

[Frantzie]

I am wondering if the Repubs hold together and Lieberman. Mitch McConnell supposedly knows Senate procedure and rules as well as Byrd. I hope the GOP has some tricks in their bag to stop this.

It should have been killed in the House. Newt and Dede sabotaging NY-23 took the fear out of the Dems and lost us a voted in the House. Burn in hell Newt.

[Sarah Barracuda]

The real payoff for the Dems is overwhelming power and they know if this passes they have it. This is NOT about health care, the Dems can give a rats behind about health care, his is about FULL GOVERNMENT CONTROL and if this passes they have it. This is what liberals have wanted for as far back as they can remember. They can taste the power, controlling health care, that is icing on the cake for them

[WVKayaker]

"Healthcare" is certainly a ruse for massively funding SEIU, but in reality, what is "healthcare"?

"Healthcare" is neither a right, nor a privilege. It is a commodity. It is a business. It has costs, and hopes to make a profit, by design. The idea that insurance = healthcare is the way they have framed their arguments. Insurance is a contract for services.

The idea that you can pay for unlimited services with finite dollars is a dream. Insurance companies use actuarial tables to determine projected costs. They use actual costs based on annual payouts on policies to set the next years charges. If all of the people in the group get sick, the system cannot pay for them all. It collapses into bankruptcy.

Insurance is a unique product. In Florida, it pays to replace beach houses. In Louisiana, it pays for underwater homes. But, usually that "insurance" comes from the public trough. We all know who that "public" is...

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

Did Landrieu got a nose job?

[kristinn]

Landrieu claims a point of personal privilege for an additional minute to respondg to her being caught out taking a legislative bribe for her cloture vote, blames it on Republican bloggers.

[sloop]

now its OUR fault for giving louisiana money - can't win with libtards