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1 posted on 11/20/2009 10:03:17 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine

So?


2 posted on 11/20/2009 10:05:09 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: autumnraine
This is called 'the market'. If I own goods and do not HAVE TO sell them, then I reserve the absolute right to sell when and under what circumstances that I choose. This includes waiting for higher prices.

Can I get a 'Duh!' from the crowd, please?

3 posted on 11/20/2009 10:08:41 AM PST by SAJ
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To: autumnraine

Start charging “RENT”....high rent...make it cheaper to unload their oil rather than drive it around...


5 posted on 11/20/2009 10:09:58 AM PST by The Wizard (I support Madame President, the only President in America today)
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To: autumnraine

Try and find gasoline at any price in socialist countries like Cuba, China, or North Korea.


7 posted on 11/20/2009 10:10:55 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Socialism is an opportunistic infection of the body politic. It occurs when defenses are low.)
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To: autumnraine
Morgan Stanley to secure supertanker to store crude oil

JPMorgan Hires Supertanker for Storage, Brokers Say

8 posted on 11/20/2009 10:20:18 AM PST by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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To: autumnraine

(as posted to the site)

Big deal.

Oil companies and refiners make about **10c a gallon ** profit on fuel. That’s after doing all the work of bringing the oil to the surface, cracking it and refining it.

Whereas the British Treasury makes **351 cents per gallon ** and does nothing whatever to earn this.

Who are the sharks again? Hint: its not “market speculators”. It’s the British Government.


9 posted on 11/20/2009 10:21:27 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Dark Wing

ping


11 posted on 11/20/2009 10:27:55 AM PST by Thud
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To: autumnraine
Profits vs Losses Winter storms are coming. The Bay of Biscayne is not a happy place in a storm. These vessels are under powder with small rudders and need a LOT of sea room to operate. Any smart Capt. will have to pull anchor and steam out to deep water and avoid the storm. Moving a vessels costs a LOT of money but not moving one of those giants and having it breaks its’ anchor chain or worse drags its’ anchor and ends up on the rocks will cause a disaster!

You can not play with Mother Nature and sooner or later an accident WILL HAPPEN!

13 posted on 11/20/2009 10:36:08 AM PST by WellyP
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To: autumnraine

I think there’s a bit of a false bit of chicanery here.

We’ve got a similar situation at refineries in Texas. It’s not that they’re “holding product off the market” - its just that there is a glut of supply and every possible container that can hold refined product is full.

(source:BP refinery workers in Texas City)


19 posted on 11/20/2009 11:35:29 AM PST by crescen7 (game on)
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To: autumnraine

Well they have to dock/park/store those huge vessels some place when demand is down. They can’t be tied to the docks taking up space where other ships need to be off loading/loading. I can understand floating storage tanks for some period as they keep the wells flowing at previous rates. But at some point all available storage will be filled whether floating, land, temporary, etc and the wells will be shut back.


22 posted on 11/20/2009 11:41:28 AM PST by deport
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To: autumnraine
More "free market, supply and demand." No collusion, of course. lol

Here in the states, out of work people aren't buying enough gas to push the price over $3, so we give failed firms money to drive up the price and refiners cut back to make up the rest.
25 posted on 11/20/2009 11:51:32 AM PST by mysterio
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To: autumnraine
Here's a little info on the petroluem business:

With fuel demand week, refineries shutting down

Refineries from New Mexico to New Jersey are under severe economic pressure because of falling demand for fuel, with a number of facilities shutting down in recent months.

Valero Energy Corp., which shuttered a major refinery over the summer, said Friday it would permanently close its Delaware City oil refinery and layoff 550 workers.

It is the largest largest refinery in the U.S. to close this year.

Refineries in the Northeast are particularly vulnerable because many are older, operate less efficiently and must compete with gasoline imported from Europe.

The Delaware City refinery, where workers were notified of the closing Friday, lost about $1 million every day this year, said Valero spokesman Bill Day.

El Paso, Texas-based Western Refining Inc. announced earlier this month that it would close its Bloomfield, N.M., facility, putting 100 people out of work. Valero, based in San Antonio, said in September that it would idle two units in Delaware City, cutting about 150 jobs. Last month, the company said it would cut another 100 jobs at its Paulsboro, N.J. refinery by the end of the year.

The Paulsboro announcement came just days after Sunoco Inc. said it would indefinitely idle its Eagle Point facility, which employs about 400 workers in New Jersey.

In June Valero shut its refinery in Aruba, which had a capacity of about 275,000 barrels a day.

The Delaware City refinery had a capacity of 210,00 barrels a day.


A good source of all refineries planned/unplanned down time.

US Refinery Status:


26 posted on 11/20/2009 11:59:30 AM PST by deport
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To: autumnraine
"More than 50 oil tankers are anchored off Britain - pieces in a game in which the only winners are market speculators."

Difficult to read further after such false but indcentiary statements.

Vast majority of commodities speculators are bankrupt within 12-18 months of trading. And yet, Marxists made the "masses" believe that speculators always win. This article even claims they are the only ones that win.

Well, it works: many on this forum, too, believe this garbage about "speculators" and "greedy Wall Street."

31 posted on 11/20/2009 12:30:50 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: autumnraine
" They are acting as storage tanks. As always, motorists are the victims in this."

How are the morotists victims? This is total nonsense. The oil in these tankers is not sold yet. There are no buyers.

32 posted on 11/20/2009 12:33:43 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: autumnraine

bflr


39 posted on 11/20/2009 11:53:25 PM PST by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: autumnraine

Oh no, capitalism!


43 posted on 11/29/2009 4:05:43 PM PST by FTJM
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To: autumnraine

Iran did this a year or two ago but someone said they can only hold it for 90 days before it goes bad.


45 posted on 11/29/2009 4:11:20 PM PST by McGruff (We're Going Rogue Baby!)
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