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To: ansel12

Dede endorsed Owen because she is a petty human, with human feelings and frailties, but she has a legitimate grievance against out of district conservatives. The 6% who voted for her also have a legitimate grievance against out of district conservatives.


143 posted on 11/03/2009 11:32:00 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: Once-Ler

Tonight Britt Hume commented on the district issue—said it wasn’t Hoffman’s fault, something about the districts had been changed. I don’t know the details, but I’m sure others here do.

So, actually no one should have had a grievance.


147 posted on 11/03/2009 11:37:08 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Once-Ler

The seat was not Dede’s nor the GOP’s to give. Nor were the votes of the conservatives in her district hers by right. She still had to run a race and convince the electorate of her ability and earn their votes. If she can only poll 6%, then that’s all the power she had and the GOP (and her out of district supporters like Newt and others) backed a big loser.


151 posted on 11/03/2009 11:42:20 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Once-Ler

If this had been settled with a primary election (like should have happened here) then the moderates wouldn’t have been nursing a grudge and a conservative candidate could have won easily.


152 posted on 11/03/2009 11:42:22 PM PST by dschapin
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To: Once-Ler

What we are learning here is that you truly supported her as the candidate for the very reasons that we are against her, you wanted her in that seat.


155 posted on 11/03/2009 11:44:01 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney/Scozzafava 2012)
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To: Once-Ler

this race clearly had a bunch of special circumstances.

In 08 McHugh won it 65-35 or 145k to 75k for the dem.

Owens won tonight with under 65k. Only 120K total voted as opposed to 240k in 08. Obama won it 52-46. Owens won it 49-45.

Looks like pretty much the same number of dems showed up when you compare Owens to the dem in 08. But McHugh got 145k and Hoffman and Scozzofava combined only got 65k.

Clearly a whole bunch of people stayed home. I don’t know who stayed home because I havent seen any exit polls. How did Is go? Rs? Ds? But a lot of people just didn’t show up. Doesn’t really tell us much about what would happen in a full fledged election in a normal midterm year.

McHugh was a longtime guy who everyone knew. Hoffman was a new guy who no one knew and whose campaign ended up being seen as being about a national issue and not really the district.

I don’t really see it as a black eye for conservatives. If the party had gone with him from the start instead of mesisng around with Scozzafava and he had a few months to campaign and introduce himself he likely wins. I think if he sticks around and proves himself to the residents thre, he can win next year.

Pick the right candidates from the beginning and make sure you have party unity and you’ll do well, like in NJ and VA.

Still, any downside to conservatives is more than outweighed by the huge egg on Obama’s face after going all out for Corzine and getting spanked.

Things look good for 2010. Dems are losing enthusiasm, if health care goes down they’ll lose even more. We have good candidates and favorable races next year.


160 posted on 11/03/2009 11:48:14 PM PST by jeltz25
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