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Markets And Morality (What do we make of greed ?)
Forbes ^ | 10/7/2009 | Jagdish Bhagwati

Posted on 10/08/2009 7:35:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: upcountryhorseman
As I suggested earlier, you are a bit to cavalier with logic.

"Can you name one dictatorship that allows free market capitalism? Socialist countries control more than the means of production: for example, Sweden and Denmark."

The question of what is observed is different from the question of what is a necessity.

For instance, a body that is free from action of a force will continue moving with the same velocity indefinitely. Is this true? Yes, of course: this is the Law of Inertia. Have you seen such a body? Of course not: it is impossible to see a body free of action of any force --- at least because there is Earth's gravity.

Logical relationship among concepts is often different from what is directly observed. Socialism does not logically require dictatorship etc. It has often been argued, successfully, that human nature is such that non-economic freedoms are curtailed after socialism is established. THat well may be but, in an of itself, socialism is nothing but government's ownership of the means of production.

41 posted on 10/12/2009 10:44:08 AM PDT by TopQuark
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You didn’t answer the question regarding the existance of
a dictatorship that allows free market capitalism. In my opinion, your positions have nothing to do with what is
happening in the real world.


42 posted on 10/14/2009 10:01:46 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: upcountryhorseman
"You didn’t answer the question"

I did answer that question by saying that whether A is necessary for B is a different question from whether A and B are observed in the real world. I also gave an example.

"have nothing to do with what is happening in the real world."

That is exactly the issue. What happens in the world are FACTS. You made a statement with an EXPLANATION of those facts. There is a difference, and I tried to attract your attention to that difference.

43 posted on 10/15/2009 7:40:25 AM PDT by TopQuark
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If you think that symbolic logic is going to arrive at truth, it can’t happen. All symbolic logic does is organize
thought.


44 posted on 10/15/2009 10:33:15 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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You have yet another disconnect.

"If you think that symbolic logic is going to arrive at truth, it can’t happen."

You have inserted the word "symbolic" as if it makes your statement any more weighty. For a person tha claims familarity with such logic, your statement is surprisingly incorrect: symbolic logic derives truthfulness if formulae from the assumed truthfulness of axioms.

Most importantly, I did not say that logic will yield the truth; I said violations of logic, on which you appear to insist, will NOT yield the truth.

I guess, I have either sufficiently attracted your attention to this issue or have failed to do so. In either case, I have nothing to add.

Have a good one.

45 posted on 10/15/2009 12:43:45 PM PDT by TopQuark
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