[BlueDragon]

All I'm saying is that there were a lot of poo flingers there, and a lot of poo being flung. . . ;-)

A stealthy admission, with the added "but others are doing it".?

Ok, lots of that sort of thing goes on here. I indulge myself in wiseguy comments, too.

Getting back to the article; I can see easily enough that from Dawkin's perspective, debating with anyone who doesn't agree with what can be termed neo-Dawinism wouldn't be profitable to him at all.

His book sales and speaking engagement fees, are likely doing quite well as things are now.

So what is the major difference between these two writers, what is the crux of the issue separating them?

One assumes life some how self-organized, randomly sprung into existence.

The other writer postulates that some evidence for what has become known as "design" can be seen in lifeforms.

"Proof" for this latter can only be inferred from the evidence perhaps, but first, one must be able to accept the possibility that the neo-Darwinian philosophical outlook may be quite wrong, at least as far as the abiogenisis assumption is concerned.

All the poo-flinging merely distracts from the set of ideas being discussed.

Dawkins will not approach the idea whatsoever. He states his case, but adds much poo-flinging along with it, towards any who dare challenge the assumption.

Are you following in his footsteps here?

[Filo]

Are you following in his footsteps here?

Absolutely.

Why?

Because there is no "assumption."

The concept of a creator and/or some implied design is just dumb. It doesn't deserve the credibility of debate, it deserves to have poo flung at it.

There is no evidence for creation, none for "design" and every single fact points to evolution with none pointing any other way.

Sure, as the creationists say we didn't witness abiogenesis (which is an entirely separate topic from evolution) to which I reply we didn't witness creation either and the latter is a cop out which makes no sense.

So, rather than debate the facts which, as Dawkins and others have learned, creationists are immune to, I'll sit here and make fun of those with the silly flat-Earth ideas.

Times are tough and this is cheaper than a movie!