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To: Idabilly
Is the Federal Constitution a suicide pact?

No. And it's not a tool for the seceding states to bludgeon the remaining states with either.

If we are to believe the Constitution was formed with a “contract mentality” a contract can be breached......

Who gets to decide that? In the words of Mr. Madison in 1832: "The characteristic distinction between free Governments and Governments not free is, that the former are founded on compact, not between the Government and those for whom it acts, but between the parties creating the Government. Each of those being equal, neither can have more rights to say that the compact has been violated and dissolved, than every other has to deny the fact, and to insist on the execution of the bargains."

107 posted on 10/06/2009 5:56:04 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
“Who gets to decide that? In the words of Mr. Madison in 1832: “The characteristic distinction between free Governments and Governments not free is, that the former are founded on compact, not between the Government and those for whom it acts, but between the parties creating the Government. Each of those being equal, neither can have more rights to say that the compact has been violated and dissolved, than every other has to deny the fact, and to insist on the execution of the bargains.”

Even Lincoln's Idol Webster disagreed with his war!

“if the Northern States refuse, willfully and deliberately, to carry into effect that part of the Constitution which respects the restoration of fugitive slaves, and Congress provide no remedy, the South would no longer be bound to observe the compact. A bargain cannot be broken on one side and still bind the other side.—Daniel Webster”

Let's look at State Constitution regarding the Right of self Government! State of New Hampshire: Article VII, New Hampshire State Constitution, 1792.

The people of this state have the sole and exclusive right to governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state

Constitution State of Massachusetts, 1780
The people of this commonwealth have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves, as a free, sovereign and independent State….”

Even more enlightening is a few States made it clear that they could take back delegated authority! Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New York; July 26, 1788
That the Powers of Government may be reassumed by the People, whensoever it shall become necessary to their Happiness ..

I'm sure, Mr. Madison wouldn't agree with forcibly preserving the Union.

- Federal Convention of 1787
The use of [federal] force agst. a State, would look more like a declaration of war, than an infliction of punishment, and would probably be considered by the party attacked as a dissolution of all previous compacts by which it might be bound.
- Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787

“Can any reasonable man be well disposed towards a government which makes war and carnage the only means of supporting itself — a government that can exist only by the sword?” Alexander Hamilton, 1788

Thomas Jefferson, to William Crawford, “If any State in the Union will declare that it prefers separation with the first alternative, to a continuance in union without it, I have no hesitation in saying “let us separate.”

119 posted on 10/07/2009 4:30:45 AM PDT by Idabilly
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