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Father of one of the Belleville bullies is a minister
Fox affiliate in St. Louis ^ | 9/23/2009 | soccermom

Posted on 09/23/2009 7:02:27 AM PDT by soccermom

Like many mothers from this area, I was astonished and sickened to see the brutal beating on the Belleville school bus that made headlines all over the country. I have no idea if this was racially motivated as I wasn't there and I don't want to fuel that speculation. If someone is beating the snot out of you, it doesn't matter what the motivation is -- it is reprehensible no matter what. But, like many people, I wondered what on earth were the lives and backgrounds of the bullies like that they would behave like this?

Monday night, I was stunned when news footage of this story showed the father of one of the bullies in a Roman collar and he was bemoaning the fact that this video had ruined THEIR lives! Now, I am not one to believe that the sins of the child are necessarily a reflection of the parent. I understand that lots of well-meaning parents are exasperated by wild children. But I cannot believe that a MINISTER would be whining about how this had hurt his family instead of expressing concern for the life his child ruined!

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-belleville-busfight-students-expelled-092109,0,1189089.story


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To: wintertime
Good post.

There are schools in this nation that are soooooo HORRIFIC that it would be better for a child never to attend!

There is a great irony is one of the principal charges laid at Home Schoolers -- "But won't your child miss out on the socialization??" The reality is that the social atmosphere at a great many public schools does great harm to kids. Feral populations without any sense of civilized behavior are simply allowed to run wild. That's the kind of socialization that kids can do without.

21 posted on 09/23/2009 7:40:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: kimmie7

Years ago my son was tormented and bullied by a church kid in the presence of the church group leader. The leader did nothing to stop the situation. I watched two separate incidents occur to make sure that my son was correct in what was actually occurring since the other boy was a good head shorter than my son.

After the second incident occurred, I pulled the two boys over to the church leader. I then calmly announced that I had observed two separate episodes where the little heathen had hit and tormented my son. I also informed the leader that I had observed my son had come to him for assistance about the incidents and that he stood there and did nothing.

At that point, in front of the church leader and this other boy, I gave my son permission to take this kid out, the next time that kid started it. My son was directed not to start it, but he was to finish it. I then informed the leader that he was not to interfere with my son defending himself, since the leader had not interfered when the other boy had repeatedly struck my son.

The leader turned very red, stuttered and stammered about it. But he couldn’t really say anything since he knew that I had observed the whole thing. That kid never touched my son again.


22 posted on 09/23/2009 7:41:28 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (According to the MSM, I'm a fringe sitting, pajama wearing Freeper)
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To: Krankor; Rockingham
"I thrashed the bounder",

Do you write bodice-busting, cleavage-heaving romance novels in your spare time? :)

23 posted on 09/23/2009 7:43:28 AM PDT by Free State Four (a)
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To: wintertime

Honestly, I don’t think this had anything to do with the school per se. It is a good school with good kids — it just happens to be too big and there a some bad apples.


24 posted on 09/23/2009 7:44:03 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: Krankor

It would be a far stretch to call him a bounder — just a little more confused and off track as a teenager than than the rest of us. I hope that the passing years have treated him well.


25 posted on 09/23/2009 7:45:36 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

What a great solution to that problem! You should call that one in to “Dr. Laura”.


26 posted on 09/23/2009 7:54:56 AM PDT by Sunshine54 (Sunshine54)
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To: soccermom
Honestly, I don’t think this had anything to do with the school per se. It is a good school with good kids — it just happens to be too big and there a some bad apples.
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If it is too big and bad apples can pummel others then it isn't a good school.

27 posted on 09/23/2009 8:01:50 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: soccermom

Someone mentioned JWH. This is Hardins' final resting place at the Concordia Cemetary in ElPaso.....

28 posted on 09/23/2009 8:02:05 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Obamatude could be defined by Blago as something tangible, but not quite as tangible as JJJ's offer.)
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To: soccermom

Our minister’s son is one of the the most irritating kids I have ever come across, he has been given leeway his whole life because of who his father is. He needs a good smack upside the head before he turns into one of these punks on the bus.


29 posted on 09/23/2009 8:08:05 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: wintertime

I absolutely agree. It’s a cliche, but our local public high school is simply a warehouse. There, high school diplomas mean nothing. Some of the kids are allowed to act like animals, even to the point of assaulting teachers. But it’s all kept hush-hush, probably with some sort of quiet “mediation” involved to preserve PR. But just because the SCHOOLS are neutered, post-school real life has a way of knocking kids right between the eyes and waking them up.


30 posted on 09/23/2009 8:10:31 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

GOOD FOR YOU!


31 posted on 09/23/2009 8:12:57 AM PDT by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

Yep. Good for you. Bullies need to be stopped in their tracks with a dose of their own medicine. Not to be overly dramatic, but it may save someone from escalating to violent sociopathy.


32 posted on 09/23/2009 8:13:39 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: kimmie7

Good luck to you! It’s a very hard thing to deal with and kids who are victims of bullying at school sometimes never get over it. When I was a third grade teacher, I was very strict about bullying and my kids knew there would be hell to pay if they did it to anyone - I taught in a Catholic school! :)


33 posted on 09/23/2009 8:14:55 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

Well done! We gave my son similar permission to defend himself from a friend that repeatedly hit and jumped on him. Let’s just say after one body slam the friend stopped his attacks and now they are the best of friends, without the violence.


34 posted on 09/23/2009 8:14:56 AM PDT by Cathy
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
I did the same thing to my son two years back.

Kids on the block were bullying him, but I was trying to raise him to turn the other cheek, ignore it, etc.

Finally, after both cheeks got slapped several times, I loudly announced infront of the entire neighhorhood that my son had permission to beat the snot out of anyone that teased him or touched him. He would not be disciplined; he would be praised and rewarded for it.

And he did. One of the smarty-pants mouthed off, and my son hit him so hard, the punk fell to the ground with a bleeding nose.

End of teasing.

My neighbors were aghast! I told them it was a valuable life lesson: Evil will rule when good men let it.

That shut them up, too.

35 posted on 09/23/2009 8:16:05 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (I am a Declarationist!)
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To: soccermom

The bully could have been Reverend Wright’s kid.
No surprise that a bully would breed another bully.


36 posted on 09/23/2009 8:17:38 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: soccermom
Monday night, I was stunned when news footage of this story showed the father of one of the bullies in a Roman collar and he was bemoaning the fact that this video had ruined THEIR lives!

Ah, and we can't, of course, "blame the victims." Someone should tell them what the good book says about keeping their behavior excellent among the "heathens." What an opportunity lost for a holy influence.

37 posted on 09/23/2009 8:18:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

WOW! Great teaching, dad/mom...perfect way to handle it ...I salute you!


38 posted on 09/23/2009 8:18:24 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: matginzac

It’s even tougher when the bullying is at church! We homeschool to avoid that cr@p (among a million other reasons).


39 posted on 09/23/2009 8:19:01 AM PDT by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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To: Krankor
"I thrashed the bounder", it would have been perfect.

You sir, are a bit of a cad for bringing it up but you are correct.

40 posted on 09/23/2009 8:22:23 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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