Posted on 09/06/2009 10:01:12 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Former US president Jimmy Carter said Sunday Palestinian leaders were "seriously considering" a one-state solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, following a visit to the Middle East.
"A majority of the Palestinian leaders with whom we met are seriously considering acceptance of one state, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea," Carter wrote in an op-ed piece in The Washington Post.
"By renouncing the dream of an independent Palestine, they would become fellow citizens with their Jewish neighbors and then demand equal rights within a democracy," he explained. "In this non-violent civil rights struggle, their examples would be Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr. and Nelson Mandela."
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There is already a nice bit of real estate set aside for the Venezuelan community. France is another one, probably Sweden, Germany, for sure Russia, possibly also the UK, and if I’m any indication, a lot of Americans, especially while the demagogue in chief is still in power without any checks or balances to hinder him.
The Arab birthrate is only higher if you count the refugee camps, which are an anomally because the UNRWA subsidizes new births there, a la pre-1996 US welfare state. If you count only the Israeli Arabs and the Palestinians who are living off the land and more or less stable, it’s not such a much. Now the “refugees,” despite all the talk, are not coming back, not to the West Bank or the East Bank or to any place between there and the Mediterranean, for the simple reason that the Palis don’t really want them either.
There are too many for the region to absorb, and whatever you want to say about Arabs, if they are in the traditional setting, with a family, clan, tribe and village with which to affiliate, you can at least deal with them and maintain an uneasy sort of peace. The “refugees” have none of that. They are, for all intents and purposes, a horde of unsocialized teenagers, some of them sixty years old. Their schooling has been courtesy of the Moslem Brotherhood, and consisted mostly of ignorance, sadism and hatred, and their cultural roots have long ago shriveled and died in the UNRWA hydroponic tanks.
And they’d be the majority. The Israelis then will be an underclass and we know what that means in Islam.
Won’t the European countries see an increasing number of moslems in the % of population for at least this century?
Israel actually could have had one state from the Jordan to the Mediterranean in 1967, simply by annexing the new territory, and giving all residents citizenship. But that would have been imperialism, expansionism, or whatnot. Now suddenly it’s a good idea? Fine.
Then finally let’s give Jews equal rights. No more of this international fuss and fidget every time a Jew builds a house in East Jerusalem, or founds a new town in Judah and Shomron. Equal rights cuts both ways, and if Jews are given equal rights in our own land at last, the Arabs will not know what hit them demographically. Just one caveat, though. No right of return. Ever. Let the Arab nations that kicked or drove all or most of their Jews out absorb the “refugees,” and pay for their rehabilitation, with out UNRWA’s cynical/idiotic meddlings.
Palestinians *ALREADY* have a state. It’s called Jordan - ie: the East Bank.
If they wanted to live there, all it would take is a half-hour drive across the river.
Palestinians *ALREADY* have a state. It’s called Jordan - ie: the East Bank.
If they wanted to live there, all it would take is a half-hour drive across the river.
Here's the problem with that. Israel fought a war and took over that land that is on what is called "the West Bank" and the land that is called "Gaza" (each from different countries). So, they control that land now. It's not considered part of Israel proper, but it's considered conquered territories and Israel is in control of it. And along with the land that they conquered goes the people who were living on the land.
Now.., Israel does not want to annex that land to make it part of Israel proper because then the populations living on that land become part of Israel, and Israel doesn't want that.
And in addition to that, the other countries do not have to allow anyone into their countries if they do not want to. You can't make those countries (whomever they are, in this case, Jordan and Egypt) take people who are in the West Bank and Gaza and make them live (respectively) in Jordan and/or Egypt. That's the big problem -- Israel is stuck with them whether they like it or not.
Thus, the idea for Israel (as they've been thinking all along) is to keep the Palestinians out of Israel by giving them a state of their own. However, if you incorporate all those Palestinians into Israel, by making just one state of the entire area (i.e., annexing the occupied lands that Israel now controls, into Israel proper), then those people will be part of Israel and will be able to vote. Can you imagine what kind of "voting" millions of Hamas and Fatah members will be doing in Israeli elections... LOL...
After they get through "voting" there won't be an Israel anymore... and that's why having a "one-state solution" is the "nightmare scenario" for Israel.
Sure. They deserve each other. And some of the european population growth rates are pathetic. But Israel has the advantage that, no. 1, Jews from all over the world really want to go there, including ultra-Orthodox and religious Sephardic Jews, who make babies at a prolific rate, and no. 2, Arabs who have the good fortune to be Israeli citizens or at least live around enough settlements to buffer them from the loons, begin prospering, and then they make less babies, being too busy with the business/farm, having access to birth control, etc.
Gaza, at present, is out of Israeli control. There is no military presence there, and there are no settlements there. It is Hamastan.
As for Judah and Shomron, one of the first things to go, should Israel annex this territory, is Fatah. Suddenly, they are out, and new elections are held. Do you really think that the extortion, corruption, outright theft and murder that these slimeballs have perpetrated on their own people the Palis for so long has somehow endeared them? You’ll have the Israeli national government overseeing the elections, allowing other parties to honestly compete, and keeping the thugs away from the polling places. Furthermore, Jews and Christians would get to vote, too. Perhaps we’d see more of the latter, after they’re given back their stolen land in Bethlehem, following an inquiry by the appropriate national government agency.
It WOULD work, so long as it’s preconditioned on no “right of return,” not ever. And this is classic Jewish history. Since the dawn of time, our enemies have tried to weigh us down with a millstone and throw us in the river, only to discover that they no longer have a working mill, and we’re somehow floating downstream on the thing, or standing up on it midstream and catching fish, or something. Carter, of course, means nothing but harm. But the opposite would result. It would work! By all means, one state and no returning refugees.
Well, I would like to see Israel get all of that land, but, I can’t see that it would be a benefit to Israel to incorporate all those Muslims into the voting public of Israel and get saddled with a demographic nightmare of the Muslims outproducing the Jews (as in..., the Muslims are baby-factories... LOL...).
You talk about Gaza being Hamastan..., well can you imagine Hamastan being part of Israel and all those “voting terrorists” being incorporated into the politics of Israel... what a deal!
I just can’t see it working with those Muslims being there...
No. Keep Hamastan out. They want their own state, they got it, and let them stew in their hateful juices, or get taken over by Egypt, or whatnot. I’m only talking about Juda and Shomron.
Not all Muslims are baby factories, only most of them. If they all were, how do you think Israel has managed so long with Israeli Arabs in our midst? Besides, they’re not the only baby factories around. Hasidim often have families of eight or more kids. I have 4, myself, because my wife had multiple cesarians. I know an old patriarch in Brooklyn who had 13 boys and 7 girls, all of whom had plenty of kids themselves, and some of them are now in the baby manufacturing business, too. His total descendants have never been in the same room all together to be counted, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they exceeded 100, and he’s not the only one. I know his sister, too, and she’s already on great-grandkids. Traditional Sephardim can be pretty prolific, too, and they’re polygamous. Now if Hasidim in Israel get a rabbinical dispensation for polygamy within Israel, them Ayrabs will not be able to pop ‘em out fast enough.
Demographics, shmemographics. Arabs have to produce lots of kids because they’re eternally at war with one another, which means a lot of ‘em don’t grow up to produced more kids. Jews are the ultimate inheritors of Zion, and demographics are on our side, with a little tweaking to help it along. Just let the Hasidim have two or more wives, and get that sex gum under a heimishe hashgacha.
The intellectual dishonesty about it is the equal comparison between the “Palestinians” - everyone but the Jews in the former British Mandate of Palestine - and the non-British natives of the subcontinent - as if, in equal measure, both groups represent the only legitimate “native” interests against foreign “occupiers”.
In other words, the “one state” solution is nothing new. It's simply the destruction of Israel dressed in the garb of “civil disobedience” which is a farce because it suggests that Israel and its citizens should have no veto of such a forced political merger with the Arabs.
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